Hit a Plateau - Need Some Opinions

[dugie65]

I have been training for about 4 years, lifting for as long as I can remember.

I think I have hit a plateau as far as my weight is concerned. I have been experimenting with my diet and training(HIIT style, 5x5, Circuit Training) but I have yet to gain any real weight. My strength is still increasing but my weight seems to stay constant.

I doubt i have finished my growth in height even though I have not grown for a year or so, but I am still hesitant to start a test based cycle. However I am very interested in competing and hopefully in the future making it past the amateur level.

This may seem arbitrary BUT:
Are there any forms of AS that would NOT close the growth plates? Or should I wait it out naturally?

 

[Beachbum1546]

How old are you? If you are young enough to worry about height growth then that worries me.

 

[shamrock11]

no aas as far as I know will fuse growth plates. The problems come in when you start getting stronger faster than your ligaments and tendons can handle and you end up with some serious injuries.

 

[crunkjuice]

MOST all aas will close growth plates...thats why they dont want to give them to little kids,..... do some research on this but people say that anavar wont fuse growth plates..... But thats not a drug known to pack on alot of mass gains either, mainly strength.... how old are you? You should probably just stick it out until your at least 22 or so...then you'll have a more solid base and be done growing height wise.

 

[Beachbum1546]

no aas as far as I know will fuse growth plates.

Wow, can't believe I just read that.

 

[STRIPCLUB]

Are you eating enough? 2 grams carbs/ 2 grams protein per lb of bodyweight. (plus good fats) When I hit a plateau sometimes I back off on my training and increase my rest and nutritional patterns. Keep in mind, when we are in the gym training, we are breaking our muscles down. When we go home and supply those muscles with everything they need to repair themselves and let them rest, that is when we grow.

 

[Extra_Strong]

i would bet on the eating..

but winny primo tren var would probably be good ones but you dont want to chance it ekkk

 

[LVTitan]

no aas as far as I know will fuse growth plates. The problems come in when you start getting stronger faster than your ligaments and tendons can handle and you end up with some serious injuries.

do not listen to this...
anavar can be safely taken, but remember it's not a big mass builder anyway.
estrogen it what actually triggers the bones to stop growing. test aromatizes to estrogen and that's why it can stunt your growth.
i'd be interested to hear if he can safely use TBOL since it doesnt aromatize....

 

[bluehen]

do not listen to this...
anavar can be safely taken, but remember it's not a big mass builder anyway.
estrogen it what actually triggers the bones to stop growing. test aromatizes to estrogen and that's why it can stunt your growth.
i'd be interested to hear if he can safely use TBOL since it doesnt aromatize....

Beat me to it.

 

[dugie65]

from what i understand winstrol also has a low aromatization. If taken with a very low dosage of adex could it be used safely?

I'm a freshman in college, but both my parents grew throughout college. I'm 5'8 188lbs @ ~11%BF naturally.

When I increase my protein above 2G/lb(most of it in food) I just put on fat, usually in my midsection after 2 weeks or so.

 

[dugie65]

damnit reading up on all this again is making me want to start.. but luckily I have some amount of common sense.

Would HGH be an option? My only problem is a 28 inch waist that i would like to keep.

 

[Bruce]

anavar is given to kids who are too small, it will not stunt your growth, and tbol is probably fine as well, but since var is given to young boys and girls i think i would go with that, i think your nuts to risk it though, i was 5 10 senior year of h.s, it took till junior year of college to reach 6 2 almost 6 3, height is great, i think you are the only other guy ive heard that has a 28 inch waist besides me

 

[LVTitan]

anavar is given to kids who are too small, it will not stunt your growth, and tbol is probably fine as well, but since var is given to young boys and girls i think i would go with that, i think your nuts to risk it though, i was 5 10 senior year of h.s, it took till junior year of college to reach 6 2 almost 6 3, height is great, i think you are the only other guy ive heard that has a 28 inch waist besides me

easy tiger, i can fit my 28's just fine !! although you're a bit taller than me, and for the record, no i havent gotten my shit together and even started getting ready so i'll have to go up against you sometime next year. lots of problems in my home life lately bruce...

 

[Bruce]

all good homey, next year is better for me also. sorry to hear about your situation best of luck to you my friend. i'll be waiting for you.

 

[dugie65]

My waist usually gets down to 26-27'' but the diet change is tough to overcome.

I think I was probably 5'7 in HS, not too much of a change but i'm still praying. There's a couple guys who i play rugby with that have run HGH for 2-3 months and suprisingly gained height. I don't know if it's coincidence but it seems encouraging.

Unfortunately being a starving college student I doubt I could afford Var at a reasonable(30mg+) dose. Tbol seems reasonably priced for its effects, much more cost efficient than winstrol it seems. What dosage is Turanabol run at and how hepatotoxic is it?

 

[Bruce]

i ran tbol at 60mg ed which is a bit high. 40-50mg ed is good. it is about as toxic as winny. my liver values were back to normal after 3 weeks of use

 

[LVTitan]

i will be running my OT at 50mg/day to kickstart my upcoming eq/deca cycle. i should be on all winter maybe throwing some var in for the last month at 40-60

 

[Bruce]

i love ot, the best pumps ive had ever

 

[dugie65]

so max cycle length would be how long?

 

[Bruce]

5-6 weeks with var, 28 days with OT, you are nuts to risk your growth plates though

 

[dugie65]

If aromatization is low to zero i would hope any chance of excess test converting to estrogen would be cancelled out by a small amount of Adex correct?

 

[Extra_Strong]

well why not just get some HGH and take it if your epiphyseal plate has not hardend then you will grow.. also if you take some ani e-s maybe you can prolong the growth... sounds fun unless you get a big nose or ears or oversized head

but if my books are correct it will work.. also i would bet will winny alone no anit e or HGH assuming your plates are not closed that you would probably grow a little taller..

How old are you? 18 - 19 ?

 

[dugie65]

yeah the side effects of hgh are the only things holding me back.

 

[Extra_Strong]

yeah the side effects of hgh are the only things holding me back.

Well most of the sides You would keep, that is true but it is not like you would not notice them happening and at that point U would just stop. It is not like you would change over night.

I think it would be a need experiment but yes it is not my body.
although if it were and my growth plates were not seald i would damn well try it.
You should take a trip to the doc to see if they are or not.

I mean i am 5" 11' not short i just think ti would neet and i dont really see much of draw back except for money. And i would of loved to of been about 6" 4' ......

 

[LVTitan]

i'm just happy being 5 7/ 5 8", because i can look jacked with much less weight on my frame,

 

[dugie65]

Well most of the sides You would keep, that is true but it is not like you would not notice them happening and at that point U would just stop. It is not like you would change over night.

I think it would be a need experiment but yes it is not my body.
although if it were and my growth plates were not seald i would damn well try it.
You should take a trip to the doc to see if they are or not.

I mean i am 5" 11' not short i just think ti would neet and i dont really see much of draw back except for money. And i would of loved to of been about 6" 4' ......

Should I see an endocrinologist or a regular physician?

 

[Extra_Strong]

Should I see an endocrinologist or a regular physician?

A normal physician should be able to tell you.


an x-ray or bone scan can be done to determine if your growth plates have already closed or if there is still potential growth remaining.

 

[Extra_Strong]

let us know what you decide

 

[MeatheadJD]

all good homey, next year is better for me also. sorry to hear about your situation best of luck to you my friend. i'll be waiting for you.

WOW you need to wait please
please
bc you are young enough to worry about not growing
but if you do take it
I would go with anavar or winny
navar at 40mg a day for 8 weeks
or winny 50 mg ed for 6 weeks
plu sno drinking

but if you want to get bigger w/o AAS maybe try some tribulous or creatine i bet the placebo effect at the min will get you up a weight class