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HIJACKED WITH BOX CUTTERS AND MASE?? WHAT WOULD YOU DO, Does it make sense??

M56M

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Not trying to speak like a hero or a tough guy in ANYWAY. But if you listen to the news the terrorist had box cutters and mase. No guns, some threats of bombs, but thats it just knives and mase. Now if you are in a situation where you are 99% chance going to die. Why not resist? Why not fight for your last chance of life?

In the Newark, NJ flight the passengers fought and the plane came crashing down did they live NO, but did they try to live YES. Did the terrorist get the satisfaction of hitting thier target(supposedly the White House)NO. Either there had to be more to it which they are leaving out becuase it doesn't make sense. You have 65 peeple on the plane, 3-6 were terrorist. That means at least 57 people were americans and you mean to tell me that they can't over power 3-6 people with no guns.

How many of you could sit there while a plane was being hijacked by 3-6 terrorists using a box cutter, 4'' knives, and mase and not TRY to defend yourself?

M56M
 
I felt the same way at first. But if I were on the plane and it was hijacked and I got a face full of mace and then had a box cutter held to my throat, I believe I would do whatever they told me to do. The jugglar isn't that far under the skin and one swipe and you are done anyway.

Plus they didn't know they were "for sure" going to die. The one's that did were the one's on the plane that had called family and been told about the planes flying into the WTC.
 
M56M, unless you've been asleep for the last 24 hours, you'd know that there were many acts of heroism on the planes, and that circumstances on teh planes were more complex than any "armchair hostage" or "Monday morning quarterback" could know.
 
They were herded to the back told to call their families because THEY WERE GOING TO DIE. How can you not resist and fight back. Maybe the plane was weaving in the air keeping everyone off balance. I don't know, but I know I would have rushed them. Hell, I was going to be dead anyhow. But I swear I would have beat the ever living shit out of one of them,
 
I've never been in the situation, so it's hard to say... but I can say I'm 99.9% sure I'd do SOMETHING.

Granted, I'd sit very still and behave like a good boy with a boxcutter to my throat... but 5 guys can't hold a boxcutter to everyone's throat at the same time.

Even if I had to take on 2 or three at a time, and get stabbed to death, if it caused enough of a distraction to the terrorists, that other guys on the plane could take them down, then it would be worth it.

If my children were on a plane, and I wasn't, and something like that happened, I'd hope someone would be willing to die not only trying to protect them, but everyone else on board.

I hate the people who sit and think/say: "SOMEONE do something!" I'll be that someone. To die saving someone's life is the best way to go.
 
Weapon X said:
M56M, unless you've been asleep for the last 24 hours, you'd know that there were many acts of heroism on the planes, and that circumstances on teh planes were more complex than any "armchair hostage" or "Monday morning quarterback" could know.

Actually from what i heard, the only plain that resisted was the plane that crashed in Penn. If there was others please inform me and don't be a PRICK thanks. I just found it weird that there were no guns and yes i can understand that mase and a box cutter to your neck isn't pleasent, but when you have basically 10 people to everyone terrorist it just seems hard to believe that they didn't have more than box cutters and mase.

M56M
 
Still, they were fucking box cutters! I'm sorry, and this is no disrespect to the victims, but there's no way in hell I'd just sit in my seat while some terrorists hijacked the plane I was on using box cutters & mace. I may not try to overtake 3-6 on my own, but I'd sure as shit try to pull a group of guys together to rush the assholes. Maybe they'd manage to get someone with the box cutter, but there's no way a box cutter or mace would stand up to a rush of guys determined to kick some ass...especially if they were ragin'. :)

There could be no more than 2 of those arabs in the aisle at one time because of how narrow it is. If they're wielding a box cutter, knife, whatever, grab a carry-on bag, throw it like a medicine ball into their chest. They'll either be knocked backwards, drop the "weapon", or at the very least it would unstable them and confuse them enough for you to get in an attack. Place both hands on the headrests near the aisles, lift yourself up, and place a well aimed kick in the fucker's chest or face.

However it's done, there would have to be a group of passengers who would go after hijackers w/no guns...it's just coordinating the effort that probably kept it from happening on every plane.
 
Oh yeah, and what I'd LOVE TO SEE, would be a plane full of Elite members and these assholes trying to hijack our plane with boxcutters & mace.

They'd be in for a huge f'ing surprise!!! I just imagine the look on their faces when everyone stands up and fill the aisles, walking toward their skinny asses and they hold out those box cutters saying "come no closer!, come no closer!"...."PLEASE!!!"...."AIEEEEEE!"

They'd be beaten, limbs ripped off, folded in half and flushed out the lav toilet. :evil: :chomp: :FRlol:
 
That is exactly what i am saying, you have 10 Americans for every 1 terrorist. Ok given some will be young kids and old ladies, but come on now not to flame on Arabs i am not prejiduce...and i do not hold all responsible. But when was the last time you saw a JACKED Arab, not very often. I believe about 5-6 Americans on each one can so some UGLY damage box cutter or not.


And if what was mentioned above is true, about the "phone calls home to tell you families you are going to die" if that is true ALL THE MORE REASON TO FIGHT!!

I thought maybe they were speaking in there language and you could not understand what they were saying but if they came out and told them you are going to die!! OH HELL NO!! some one is going to catch a beating before i die..

M56M
 
Most Hijacking incidents in the past have ended with very few
passengers killed for the most part.
I would Imagine that the passengers on the first planes had NO idea what was the end goal of the Hijacking.

The later plane was given a heads up and that IMO is why something was done as it apparently was.

I also cannot imagine what I would in in this scenario, even though I know what I HOPE I would be able to do.

Bragging and Talking out of your Ass about heroics and killing a human is easy until you are actually faced with carrying it out...

Regardless of the situation, you cannot know what they were going through.
 
Here is your answer:

On at least two of the planes, the hijacklers gained access to the cockpit without anyone realizing until way too late.

The hijackers were apparently able to gain entry into the cockpit (some are saying they followed a stewardess in), and kill or subdue the pilots.

Once they were in there, they made an announcement to the effect of "This is your captain speaking. There is a bomb on board. We are complying with their demands and returning to the airport. Remian in your seats." (Remeber that some of these guys trained here and spoke excellent English.)

So now you have passengers too scared to get up, thinking there is a bomb, not realizing what happened, and thinking that the reason they are descending so fast is because they are going back to the airport.

Makes it a little different. Apparently the hijacking in PA went a little different and people did fight back.

There is nothing funnier to me then a bunch of Internet tough guys who know about 5% of the story saying what they would have done.
 
Y_Lifter said:
Most Hijacking incidents in the past have ended with very few
passengers killed for the most part.
I would Imagine that the passengers on the first planes had NO idea what was the end goal of the Hijacking.

The later plane was given a heads up and that IMO is why something was done as it apparently was.

I also cannot imagine what I would in in this scenario, even though I know what I HOPE I would be able to do.

Bragging and Talking out of your Ass about heroics and killing a human is easy until you are actually faced with carrying it out...

Regardless of the situation, you cannot know what they were going through.

Well obviously the people on the Penn plane have proved you wrong to some extent becuase they did fight. And i believe anyone with loved ones and children would rather take the chance of fighting then not, and never having the chance to see there families again. But i also see your point, you never know until YOU YOURSELF is in that SITUATION. But all we can do is hope and pray we would be as brave as those people on the Newark flight.
 
Y_Lifter said:
I also cannot imagine what I would in in this scenario, even though I know what I HOPE I would be able to do.

This is true.

Bragging and Talking out of your Ass about heroics and killing a human is easy until you are actually faced with carrying it out...

Sorry bro, but I have no qualms or hesitation about taking someone's life if they deserve it. It takes a lot to deserve death, but these guys went WAY beyond the requirements. Hijackers immediately meet the qualifications of a death certificate...you endanger innocent lives, your ass is marked. I'd break their neck without a second thought.

Regardless of the situation, you cannot know what they were going through.

I agree, none of us know what they were going through or how they felt.
 
RealDeal said:
Originally posted by Y_Lifter
I also cannot imagine what I would in in this scenario, even though I know what I HOPE I would be able to do.

This is true.

Bragging and Talking out of your Ass about heroics and killing a human is easy until you are actually faced with carrying it out...

Sorry bro, but I have no qualms or hesitation about taking someone's life if they deserve it. It takes a lot to deserve death, but these guys went WAY beyond the requirements. Hijackers immediately meet the qualifications of a death certificate...you endanger innocent lives, your ass is marked. I'd break their neck without a second thought.

Regardless of the situation, you cannot know what they were going through.

I agree, none of us know what they were going through or how they felt.

Exactly.

No one is being a tough guy, take the situation into consideration. You are on you way home to see you family some guy stands up and takes ou hostage. You will NEVER see you family again, your children will grow up without and mother/father or MAYBE without BOTH!! And all you can see is that they have fucking box cutters and mase. I don't know not too sure, i would do nothing. And if you have ever been in a plane you can obviously see what is going on in and near the cockpit. Thats if you have ever been in First Class thats in the front of the plane.(where they also give out BUTTER KNIVES AND FORKS...now that can do more damage than a box cutter!!!! ;) )

M56M
 
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N.J. Hero's Call: I Love You, We're Going to Stop Them
3 passengers likely saved 4th target

By HELEN KENNEDY
Daily News Staff Writer


WASHINGTON

Heroic passengers aboard the hijacked flight from Newark — led by a courageous new father from New Jersey — apparently got together to foil a plot to drive the plane into the White House or Capitol.

They paid for the lives of many innocents with their own.

Passenger Jeremy Glick of West Milford, N.J., called his wife from the plane to tell her they had been hijacked by three knife-wielding Arabs wearing red headbands.

They had turned the Boeing 757 — originally heading for San Francisco — toward Washington by brandishing a box they said contained a bomb, he said.

Glick's wife, Lyzbeth, told him two other hijacked planes had just hit the World Trade Center. At that point, Glick knew he was riding on a flying bomb that could have killed many more than those aboard.

Family members say he put the phone down, then came back to tell his wife the men on board had taken a vote and were going to try to overpower the hijackers.

"He knew that stopping them was going to end all of their lives," Glick's brother-in-law told The Washington Post. "But that was my brother-in-law. He was a take-charge guy."

Before heading forward to sacrifice his life to stop the terrorists, Glick managed to tell his wife he loved her and their 3-month-old baby daughter. Shortly later, after some unusual flying maneuvers, United Flight 93 plunged into an old coal field southeast of Pittsburgh. All 45 aboard were killed.

Government officials believe the plan had been to plunge the jet into the White House, the Capitol or, just outside Washington, Camp David.

Glick was a salesman at Vividence, a small, California-based business software firm.

Vividence CEO Jeff Greenberg called him "a true hero in every sense" and said it was "an incredible honor" to have known him.

Glick was not the only passenger who managed to make a last call. Passenger Thomas Burnett called his wife, Deena, four times to discuss the situation. She told him about the World Trade Center disaster.

He said, "I know we're all going to die. Three of us are going to do something about it," said the family's priest, the Rev. Frank Colacicco.

Burnett, 38, vice president of a California medical devices company and father of three children, told his wife one of the passengers had already been stabbed to death and the rest had little hope of survival.

He ended the call with a last "Love you, honey."

Mark Bingham, 31, who lived in Manhattan's Chelsea area and in San Francisco, was sitting in seat 4D in the rear of the first-class section.

He managed to call his mom, Alice Hoglan, to say goodbye.

"The fact that he was so close to the action, it is likely that he was able to get at these guys," she told reporters. "It gives me a great deal of comfort to know my son may have been able to avert the killing of many, many innocent people."

Bingham, who ran The Bingham Group public relations firm, with offices on both coasts, was a college rugby star who once wrestled a mugger to the ground, his mom said.

Flight 93 was the longest in the air Tuesday — it was the first to take off and the last to crash.

The Boeing 757 took off at 8:01 a.m. from Newark, bound for San Francisco. It flew west until Cleveland, then suddenly turned around and made a beeline for the capital.

The Cleveland control tower said the plane made a sharp 180-degree turn and went to a low altitude. A witness on the ground called 911 to report a large aircraft flying low and banking from side to side.

The plane went down at 10:40 a.m. in rural Somerset, Pa.

At the crash scene yesterday, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a former military intelligence officer and the ranking Democrat on the House Defense Appropriations Committee, said he was sure rural Pennsylvania was not the target.

"Some heroic individual brought this plane down," he said. "How they avoided hitting a structure is incredible."

http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-09-12/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-125114.asp
 
Granted... no one knows the true situation up there. Maybe no one ever will.

But when I was a cop, and there were situations where a decision had to be made to either act... or sit there... I ALWAYS made the decision to act. Not because of the damn paycheck either.

If someone walked into McDonalds with a gun when I'm there with my kids, I don't think I'd believe he was there to steal some hamburgers. Chances are, he's willing to use the gun. Then the question stands... Let him shoot me, AND my children, and possibly everyone else? Or... attack, and risk the same thing happening? The difference is, at least I tried, and if I did, maybe it would encourage others to do so as well, and the loss of life MAY BE prevented.

I'm not an "internet tough guy". I've been in some really scary/shitty situations in my time with the police. And I am proud to say I never backed down to anything.

Circumstances dictate actions... true. But I'd rather die, be it a bomb or a knife, than sit there and wait to be killed one at a time by the same knife, or blown up with the bomb.

I would die fighting, and at least trying to help.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Here is your answer:

On at least two of the planes, the hijacklers gained access to the cockpit without anyone realizing until way too late.

The hijackers were apparently able to gain entry into the cockpit (some are saying they followed a stewardess in), and kill or subdue the pilots.

Once they were in there, they made an announcement to the effect of "This is your captain speaking. There is a bomb on board. We are complying with their demands and returning to the airport. Remian in your seats." (Remeber that some of these guys trained here and spoke excellent English.)

So now you have passengers too scared to get up, thinking there is a bomb, not realizing what happened, and thinking that the reason they are descending so fast is because they are going back to the airport.

Makes it a little different. Apparently the hijacking in PA went a little different and people did fight back.

There is nothing funnier to me then a bunch of Internet tough guys who know about 5% of the story saying what they would have done.
Matt, all of your posts I've read regarding the attacks have been very good and totally rational.

But where did you get this information from? I've been listening to the radio and watching TV. I have the radio on right now at work. I've heard nothing about your story of what went on inside those planes. The black boxes have not been located and thus, nobody knows for sure what went on inside the planes or cockpit. Until the black boxes are found, taken back by the NTSB & FBI, listened to, translated if need be, then finally released to the press, none of us will know exactly what happened.

Sounds to me like you're speculating. And calling us a bunch of "internet tough guys"? Please man. If the story you gave turns out to be true, then OK, I'm with you that 99% of the people on board would've considered nothing but to stay in their seats if they thought the captain ordered it so and they didn't see arabs standing around with box cutters. All we are saying is what we think we'd do if the situation had been one way.

Don't flame guys for being pissed off at these hijackers and what happened. As we've said, none of us are disrespecting the victims.

Phone calls were made from 3 of the 4 planes, from what I've heard. This included the plane that crashed in PA where the guy called to say they were going to try & overtake the hijackers (see WeaponX's post above), the plane that flew into the Pentagon, AND one of the planes that hit the WTC. That means the hijackers were visible within the plane and the passengers KNEW their plane had been hijacked and there wasn't just a report of a bomb on board.

Obviously the guys on the PA made the decision to act, and for that they probably saved at least hundreds of other innocents on the ground. Those men are heros.
 
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Weapon X,

That is a really sad fucking article. To hear those people tell there wives that they are going to die, and that they love them and to take care of thier children..those are TRUE HEROS in every sense of the word. And alot of you guys are right you can only HOPE to be that brave, and personally i truly BELIEVE that MOST AMERICANS ARE!!

M56M
 
I think the article displays teh true American Spirit.
Now what about all those Liberals and Socialists that won't even stand when teh National Anthem is played at a Game? Woudl you expect such acts of heroism from them?? I wouldn't.
 
I agree... that article makes me damn proud... and also very sad. It must be so hard on their families... but I'd be absolutely honored to know that my brother/father did something like that.

M65M... I also truly think that we all have it in us to act. It's just a matter of doing it, or not doing it. There comes that time when a decision must be made. You decide to go for it... or sit down and be quiet. Everyone makes the decision for themself. And everyone has the ability to try.

Granted, with fear of your life, it's very hard to make the decision. No one wants to die. But if I have to die to save other lives... so be it.
 
Weapon X, that's also a very good point.

I think the majority of people are more concerned about themselves. That's how people get trampled when trying to get out of a burning building, fleeing from a gunman, etc. They don't care if they knock someone else down, or even condemn that person to death, as long as they get themselves out.

That's human nature.

We can all overcome that if we choose. But most people would never even want to overcome it.

As George Carlin said:

"That's the whole secret of life: NOT DIEING!"
 
Weapon X said:
I think the article displays teh true American Spirit.
Now what about all those Liberals and Socialists that won't even stand when teh National Anthem is played at a Game? Woudl you expect such acts of heroism from them?? I wouldn't.

Thats very true. Many people are selfish but i think from this incdent alone it shows that America has alot of Heart. And as sad as this event is, i think my quote says it all...

WHATEVER DOESN'T KILL YOU, ONLY MAKES YOU STRONGER!!

These Hijacking took all those people by surprise, obviously, they also did not expect to be flying into the WTC. We are now stronger becuase of this tragic event, i would like to see another Hijacking take place, now that people can expect these horrible events, it will not be as easy. Now more than ever if a plane was to be hijacked, i think people would definitely take the chance and fight rather than die...

M56M
 
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RD-

I am just as pissed off as you are. Trust me on that. I am slowly awaiting phone calls about friends and their families who died in this event. A lot , I mean a REAL LOT (forgive bad english) of people I know work in the Trade Cetner or on Wall Street (a few blocks away) or in the area. I know a lot of cops and FD in NY also. I am extremely pissed off.

If you work in downtown Manhattan then you are probably making a few bucks. If you are making a few bucks then you probably live on Long Island, like me. Entire communities here are fucked up.

I like to think I would have fought back too. If there were a few Arabs with boxcutters in the aisle then I certainly would have gone for it. I'm pretty sure I could overpower a few of them, especially with the adrenaline boost I would have felt. With some help from other guys I would like to believe we could take them all out, maybe even land safely somewhere. :-)

This is a conversation that is played out here in NY every time we find out that someone's father is missing.

That report I made above was from Fox News last night. It may still be speculation.

I'm not flaming you or anyone else who said they would fight. I also know that it is two different things to be in the situation, and to be an observer. Those guys in PA had the benefit of making cell phone calls and their families telling them about the WTC crashes. So even if there was a ruse by the hijackers, they knew it was bullshit. They knew that something terrible was planned. So they went for it, a whole group of them.

The passengers on the WTC planes had no idea. It was probably tough to mobilize a group on those planes. My thoughts brother.
 
If you read into the history of hi-jackings, you will find that the majority of them do not result in death. These passengers had no idea that these sick terrorists were going to fly the planes into buildings. Just my .02. I agree, if I knew I was going to die anyways, I would take out as many as I could get my hands on.
Too many ?'s, still at this point.
 
It is very hard to speculate what we would have done, or what others should have done without full knowledge of what went on inside the plane. We do not know when it was announced the place was being hijacked. What if the announcement of the plane being hijacked came 10 minutes before it was flown into the WTC. Remember the people on this flight had a destination of California. Maybe they were thinking to rebel against the terroists, but were waiting for the right moment. A flight from Boston to NYC is what, maybe a whole 30 minutes if even that long? I truly believe that these people would have reacted if they would have known what was going to happen. And I believe that the people on the last plane, must of had more time to ban together and try to overtake these terrorists.

I truly believe, that all of you in your posts would put your lives on the line and would of stood up to these terrorists. I also, if I knew I was going to die would do the same. (And I am a 115 pound female.) But like I said, it could of all happened so fast that they did not have time to react.

Hopefully, in the days or weeks to come, they will uncover these "black boxes", and we will learn and be trully able to comprehend and understand what situation these unfortunate victims were in.

I guess that is my 2 cents
 
*sniffs*

I don't know about you guys but that brought tears 2 my eyes. To think about having myself up there having to call my mom and my girl telling them I love you but I have to take this plane down knowing that you won't live but save many other lives. All I have to say is rest in piece my brothers you are heros to us all.

Drizz
 
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Drizzt said:
I don't know about you guys but that brought tears 2 my eyes. To think about having myself up there having to call my mom and my girl telling them I love you but I have to take this plane down knowing that you won't live but save many other lives. All I have to say is rest in piece my brothers you are heros to us all.

Drizz
*taking deep breathe*

Well said. and very true.

M56M
 
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