Highest daily rate of GH on a mass cycle

[crimson coal]

I am just wondering if many people who have done a GH and test/Deca cycle have been taking more than 6 iu per day. I have been taking 6iu per day but just came into enough GH to up it quite a bit If I wanted it to. What is the most anyone has done per day without it being a waste. 8iu? More? I am presently at 260 pounds. Anyone with experience please speak up and let me know your amounts and results.

 

[getbig27]

everything i learned regarding gh use came from the master himself OLDGUNZ over at the anabolicscience board. since i dont have the knowledge to teach someone i would tell you to head over to that board and seek him out, he will save you time, money and tons of sides down the road. BTW gh use is not dose dependent, its based on how long you are on the stuff. that means the longer you are on it the better the results become..you cant speed that process up by continuously raising the dose. personally i've been on a few weeks at 3iu's ed and i love it so much i dont plan to get off for at least 6 months!!!!

 

[Wizdumb]

personally i've been on a few weeks at 3iu's ed and i love it so much i dont plan to get off for at least 6 months!!!!

How old are you? Just wondering about any anti-aging/reverse aging effects of GH!!

 

[getbig27]

im 28. at my age and that dose im looking for LBM gains over the long haul with continued lower bodyfat. however not only will the older lifter experience what i just described but a host of other benefits includeing anti-ageing afects!! again...head over to www.anabolicscience.com and reach out to master OLDGUNZ for an indepth look at gh before using it.

 

[crimson coal]

Looks like oldgunz on that other board is doing 6 iu everyday which is the same as I am doing myself at this time. Anyone else? Ironmaster? any thoughts?

 

[crimson coal]

GetBig..Out of curiousity what have you noticed in these past three weeks that has already hooked you in? I have already lost my aches and pains in my knees and back and am finding myself alot leaner in the mornings.

 

[XXXL]

hey getbig, is oldgunz posting again. last i heard he was taking a little vacation. i guess all is well. . . he and i butted heads a few times but i respect him. he seems to be very knowlegable and very well repspected.

as for the question about at what point will increasing the gh becaomes a waste. i read a lot of conflicting info on this. what i do read most offten is that anything over 8 iu's is where it begins to be wasteful. keep in mind that this is what i read most often. i've never read statements eitherway that backed up, with info on why they think what they think.

although me and oldgunz dissagree on some of the finer points of gh use, we agree on prbly 99.9% of the issues.

one point where we disagree is it not being dose dependant. i believe to achieve your goals, gh is both dose and time dependant. if it were not dose dependant you could run 1 iu per day for 6 months with the same results as 6 iu's per day for 6 months. that that just isn't the case. if it were, i'd run just 1 iu per day and save a bundle of money.

and with things drying up, you just had to rub in that you've come into lots more. . . you dirty bastard

 

[ironmaster]

Crimsoncoal on a mass cycle! You don't fit down the hallway as it is, you big horse. I assume you are using the GH so as to gain lean mass only, cause GH is not really a mass builder in the general sense of the word.
My opinion..........6iu is plenty, maybe more than necessary. I've been reading some research that indicates that large doses of GH is a waste. The normal individual has a three-fold defense mechanism that negates the effects of massive doses of hGH. It is these defenses that are lacking in individuals with acromeglia.
My personal experience supports this argument. I have used GH for years and tried doses all the way up to 12iu a day for three months. I believe now that duration of use is more important than the volume of doses. Tell you the truth, I continue to improve on 2iu a day taken 7 days a week year round. (2iu a day more than doubles the natural production of a 20 year-old, and I'm 53).
My most successful "mass cycles" always include insulin with the GH. Heavy on the androgens and insulin for 6 to 8 weeks, then taper back the androgens and insulin while converting to anabolics for the last 6 to 8 weeks. I will up the GH dose considerably in the last 4 to 6 weeks if I am not as lean as I want to be.
Interesting, the "Lab Notes" GH primer posted over on that other board (anabolicscience) that was mentioned is a "cut and paste" of my posts over the years on this topic........which the author gives me credit for....that's nice!

 

[cbeaks]

Ironmaster, I continue to hear that you stop seeing gains past a certain amount of iu's that you take but I also here about pros taking large amounts of gh. Do you believe that fat loss is dose related with GH or is it pointless to take more gh (18iu/day instead of 9iu/day) to increase fat burning if money is not a factor? - cbeaks

 

[ironmaster]

You know, the pro's take massive quantities of everything, so it is hard to determine what is working and what is not. But the science of it is this:

(Grinspoon 1998). It appears that with chronically high levels of GH, liver and peripheral conversions of GH to IGF-1 are decreased. So even with the constant use of exogenous GH, the body may simply try to regulate itself and the actions of GH by preventing the availability of what is GH's partner, IGF-1.

This is only one of 3 inter-related defense mechanisms to excess GH. Down-regulation of insulin sensitivity and natural GH secretion also come into play.
The pro's use insulin and IGF-1 to combat these defense mechanisms of the body. This is why I always recommend insulin and an oral steroid for success with exogenous hGH.
So........will simply increasing exogeous GH to 8,10, 12iu's work?
No.

I am also of the opinion that the professional quality BB'er is a genetic freak, not a steroid/GH scientist. I'm sure you have noticed that some folks just have a propensity to gain muscle, even at the recreational level. I think I'm a bit unusual for my age.