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High rep vs Low rep

MattAOG

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I know this has been talked about all over but I did not see much in relation to what I've been doing.

I Started in the Gym Hardcore everyday in June 2012 I worked out prior just not Everyday on a scheudle and as hard as i am going now. I went from 200lb's to 230lb during the summer adding mass everywhere. I have logs of this as well 14.5" arms - 17" arms, 1" gain on my foreamrs, 2" on my quads, I got super wide to where I was not use to it and bumped into everything. My bf went from 24% to 19% as I wasn't focused on cutting. So I had an amazing summer of bodybuilding.

Now come the past month I joined a new "hardcore gym" The Dungeon. well i payed to be trained by the owner for only 120 a month includes diet plan, etc. awesome deal. But he has his own take on Bodybuilding (which he was a competitive bodybuilder in the past).

300 reps is his thing. In reality we hit way more then 300 if you actually count everything.
1 round is 30 curls, 30 hammer curls, 30 cable curls , 10 medicine ball slams, 15 12lb sledge each side. you do that for 3 rounds then you work the triceps 3 tricep exercises for 30 x each, then the medicine ball and sledge hammer. now he changes each exercise every week so its never the same. well at first it was Light weights. at 30 reps each. now he's dropped it to 25 reps. but you start as heavy as you can go the drop your weights down. but you must still get the 25 reps.

This Gives everyone he trains an amazing swell.. But In honesty I'm not sure If it did much for me .. I only did it for a month but Usually my body gets gains.. and actually my arms seem to of gotten smaller..

Is this style of workout going to build? Or should I go back to low reps heavy weights. maybe this was great for a month to build smaller stabalizing muscles, etc. But I feel I should do maybe 2 months heavy then 1 month of that 300 rep style workout.

Sorry for the length .

Thanks.
 
I believe your gaining muscle while doing this workout has more to do with your diet. I think you are still naive to the bodybuilding world, which unfortunately is not unique. Low reps don't build size they build strength. High reps bring high blood volume to the muscles which is believed to be more beneficial to size gains. However that being said 80+% of how you look is based on what and how you eat! That is reality.
Hope that helps.


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Yeah I'm not saying im very experienced in this as I really just started this past summer . over the summer each day I was spending 2 - 3 hours in the gym. which I know is very long and I was told was pointless.. but i got gains.

now im in the gym for less then an hour .. I have burnt off fat and seen even more definition in this program. but I don't mind having fat on me as Id really Like to shoot for 245 at my current bf or maybe to get it to 17-18% before I really aim on cutting.

So if I keep to this 300 rep workout which believe me I get huge off of this workout. but he's had me on an 1800 calorie diet. Lots of cottage cheese, egs, almonds, etc. no supplemented protein while on this diet.

If I continued this workout how many calories would be recomended? double it to 3600? or go beyond that in order to gain? its very high intensity and I sweat dramatically every workout.
 
I believe your gaining muscle while doing this workout has more to do with your diet. I think you are still naive to the bodybuilding world, which unfortunately is not unique. Low reps don't build size they build strength. High reps bring high blood volume to the muscles which is believed to be more beneficial to size gains. However that being said 80+% of how you look is based on what and how you eat! That is reality.
Hope that helps.


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+1 Ive gone to a 15-30 rep workouts and have gained good size.
 
Thanks guys! I believe it was the diet then that held me back from putting on more size.. Though I'd like to be lean it's not too much of my focus right now as I'm slowly leaning out as I continue to be in the gym. I'm not in it for instant gratification.

I will continue the 300 rep workout as I love the feeling of getting blown up and the effects are felt for the next few days. Just adjust my Calorie Intake.
 
Yeah I'm not saying im very experienced in this as I really just started this past summer . over the summer each day I was spending 2 - 3 hours in the gym. which I know is very long and I was told was pointless.. but i got gains.

now im in the gym for less then an hour .. I have burnt off fat and seen even more definition in this program. but I don't mind having fat on me as Id really Like to shoot for 245 at my current bf or maybe to get it to 17-18% before I really aim on cutting.

So if I keep to this 300 rep workout which believe me I get huge off of this workout. but he's had me on an 1800 calorie diet. Lots of cottage cheese, egs, almonds, etc. no supplemented protein while on this diet.

If I continued this workout how many calories would be recomended? double it to 3600? or go beyond that in order to gain? its very high intensity and I sweat dramatically every workout.

Get a subscription to several different workout magazines. That will give you a better understanding of the different WO styles and regimens. Don't listen to ANYTHING anyone at the gym says and if you are paying them and then question that. Free advice from the gym is just that.

It's not caloric intake completely. It's about quality. Like reps if the weight is too heavy and you have to cheat the lifts guess what? You are cheating yourself. Post up in the diet section here there are lots of great guys and gals here to help you with more than just aas and pct.
welcome to elite fitness and remember just like lifting you get out of this site what you put in.
Good luck.


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Thanks guys! I believe it was the diet then that held me back from putting on more size.. Though I'd like to be lean it's not too much of my focus right now as I'm slowly leaning out as I continue to be in the gym. I'm not in it for instant gratification.

I will continue the 300 rep workout as I love the feeling of getting blown up and the effects are felt for the next few days. Just adjust my Calorie Intake.

Look for dylan and ledhead they both believe as i believe that you can put on mass and lose fat at the same time. And it's so much better for your long term health than the old school gain 30lbs the cut 18 to look good.


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You really think 15-30 does more for size than 8-12? I disagree entirely.

If that works for you than great. We are all different and our bodies are all different, you react better to one regimen that others may not. Also remember that to keep that edge you need to keep changing your lifts and reps and weight amounts so your body doesn't get lazy.
How long have you been lifting?


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5 years. Been logging my diet and workouts for 4. And I wasn't saying it just works for me, as obviously everyone reacts differently. I was saying that the popular opinion seems to be 8-12 is the hypertrophic range.
 
My argument about it being good for fat loss is that it would burn a much larger number of calories than a workout with sets of 8-12. I agree that by increasing calorie intake that could be easily mitigated.
 
When you say way better do you mean you get a better pump? Or have you logged measurements and seen long term improvements? I'm just curious because I've never heard anyone endorse a 15-30 rep range before. Don't take my questions as doubt, I'm actually very interested in trying it.
 
When you say way better do you mean you get a better pump? Or have you logged measurements and seen long term improvements? I'm just curious because I've never heard anyone endorse a 15-30 rep range before. Don't take my questions as doubt, I'm actually very interested in trying it.

Hm. My arms have gone up a few inches in 4-5 months from higher reps. Legs have completely exploded from them. My gym owner was a bber and he set me on this path and it has been working pretty well bro
 
Evan, my Gym owner as well was a bodybuilder.. and he preaches nothing but the higher 15-30 reps. He has many years of experience as well as many years of training. I just need to increase my food intake I believe to get the results I want.
 
Evan, my Gym owner as well was a bodybuilder.. and he preaches nothing but the higher 15-30 reps. He has many years of experience as well as many years of training. I just need to increase my food intake I believe to get the results I want.

I agree! Higher reps builds muscle more.. but feed the fuel bro
 
5 years. Been logging my diet and workouts for 4. And I wasn't saying it just works for me, as obviously everyone reacts differently. I was saying that the popular opinion seems to be 8-12 is the hypertrophic range.

5 years isn't that long really but I am glad you are open to learning. Also I don't know "your popular opinion" but where I come from higher reps will get you greater size. Maybe you should seek out help from pro and semi pro bbers who can help you understand it better. I just know it works.


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I think it's really about time under tension that will give the best muscular hypertrophy. High reps are good, but have your ever done 4 second negatives on each rep? Try it out on your 8-12 range, it will take just as long as 20-30 quick reps but it stimulates the target muscle better than just throwing the weight around for countless reps.
 
I think it's really about time under tension that will give the best muscular hypertrophy. High reps are good, but have your ever done 4 second negatives on each rep? Try it out on your 8-12 range, it will take just as long as 20-30 quick reps but it stimulates the target muscle better than just throwing the weight around for countless reps.


In my training I do not just throw the weight it's all very controlled and slow. Especially doing body weight curls with the TRX straps. I can Just about lay down and Curl my bodyweight on these straps for 15 reps then I step back to lighten the weight in order to finish the last 10-15 reps. It's an amazing pump in my arms. And theres really no way to do this fast without possibly injuring yourself.
 
I'm sort up confused about how many reps per set he's implementing.

He's what I know to be fact.

6* or fewer reps builds strength. The muscles use glucose as an energy source.

8 - 12 reps increases hypertrophy. Again we see the muscles use glucose a main energy source.

20 or more reps increases muscle definition. After 12 or so reps, the glucose stores around the muscles run out (it takes roughly 60 seconds for glucose stores to be renewed.), the muscles are forced to use fatty acids as fuel source. The result is less fat immediately around the muscles. Which there by increases visible striations and over all muscles definition.

This type of of training (20+ reps) won't increase your size or strength much at all.

* all rep ranges are per set.
 
Don't believe as much of what you read until you "DO".
Seriously, try it then justify the results with logic.
 
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