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High doses of EQ make it hard to breathe....

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anyone else notice this? I cant walk somewhere without getting winded.

Does the RBC count get too high where it clogs the capillaries or something?
 
more red blood cells should mean more stamina. i notice this effect even on dbol. not sure why you would be more winded, maybe someone else has an explanation. big bump.
 
I didn't notice any respiratory problems while on EQ, but I was running a "normal" dose. What dose are you running?
 
Wow 1200mg is pretty damn high.

I've heard of people saying breathing problems at about that dose, 1g+ a week. Even 800mg.

Why is your dose so high? A lot of bros say the difference between 600 and 400 isn't noticeblae, but taking 1200 is a shitload.
 
I think I'm gonna cut it back to 800mg/week - its ridiculous when you're always winded in the gym.

I didnt see anything noticeable running it at 400mg/week a while back. 800mg/week was nice, was seeing if 1200mg/week would be better. Its been alright but probably not worth the breathing issue.
 
Hey UA...maybe you're just fat :p Take the elevator chubby ;)

Nah, I think I recall Ulter mentioning the same, that over 1g per week some will encounter respoiratory probs.
 
used2juice said:
Hey UA...maybe you're just fat :p Take the elevator chubby ;)

Nah, I think I recall Ulter mentioning the same, that over 1g per week some will encounter respoiratory probs.
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dude, I've been thinking about that - 3rd floor is a bitch to get up to in the 104 degree heat.
 
UA_Iron said:
I think I'm gonna cut it back to 800mg/week - its ridiculous when you're always winded in the gym.

I didnt see anything noticeable running it at 400mg/week a while back. 800mg/week was nice, was seeing if 1200mg/week would be better. Its been alright but probably not worth the breathing issue.
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you're taking that 1.2g' solo or with other stuff?
 
DBBT said:
other than the resp. probs hows that cycle going. I'm doing 750 Test E, 600 Deca, 100 Winny ed and love it. Will do a high EQ next.
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strongest I have ever been on this cycle and bloat is not too bad.

winny makes me stronger than dbol - I am sure of it.

I like this cycle much better than the 525mgNPP 350mgProp/week I ran earlier. I am pretty sure I do not like deca or its derivatives.
 
im running 500 a week right now and I notice during those extreme weeks of cardio and weight training, my chest feels "heavy" at times.. my bp is fine...so I guess it does cause shortness of breath or something!
 
I've run 800mg for very long periods and never noticed that, but havent gone that high
 
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I'm running 800mg/wk and I am breathing fine. I do a bit of biking as well as some running with no problems. I know when it's humid though it's tough but I dont blame the EQ for it.
 
I had a thread recently about high dosage of EQ. Ulter told me exactly what you said - Raised #of RBC clog capiliaries... I am sticking to 600mg ew
 
Bro,
I'm doing eq at 1000mg's a week, and I had the same problem, come to find out I was holding a lot of water. I started taking letro at 2.5mg's/ed and nova at 40mg's/ed, and in about a week and a half, I was fine, back to doing my cardio 4x a week, and my strength didnt drop at all. Plus no more insane lower back pumps from doing cardio or getting winded by just walking to the car. By the way, I dropped the letro down to 1mg/ed, and the nolva down to 20mg's/ed.
 
Bro im running 600mg/week EQ with 750mg/week Test E. I have no problems with being winded, but I am getting the worst shin splints Ive ever had walking short distance. And on top of that, with this az heat i sweat like no other. Are you getting the sweat too?
 
LOL......I'm sweating like there is no tomorrow. Some people dont get any bloating, no matter what they take or how high the dosages go. Other people like me are real estrogen sensitive, and bloat on any and everything, and even in low dosages. It sucks but it's part of the game............
 
Are you by chance also running clen? I find clen makes me winded in the gym, perhaps because my resting heart rate is so elevated that it doesn't take much to up it into the uncomfortable zone.
 
I'm running a G of EQ right now. I've never used this much, but I got a great deal on the 500 mgs/cc so I figured I would try it out. Great vascularity and pumps. I noticed that my cardio capacity always gets better while using EQ. This time while doing cardio I'm cool, but every once in a while I feel like I'm out of breath for no reason. I'll be standing there and all of sudden I'm breathing deeper and feel out of breath. Strange. If it happened more often I would cut it back, but it's tolerable right now.
 
I have stated before that at 600mg weekly after about 8-10 weeks my resting HR is about 20-25 pts higher. I'm at 300mg til I use up what I have then I won't be using it again as i'm now primarily doing endurance based training.
 
i ran it at 400mg/week and wasnt too impressed, so i bumped it up to 600mg/week and you can definitely tell the increased RBC since my skin was red as a lobster for several months.
i'm cutting it back down to around 4-500mg/week next time. 1200 is insane your blood is probably as thick as syrup, cant be too good on the ol' cardiovascular system
 
UA_Iron said:
anyone else notice this? I cant walk somewhere without getting winded.

Does the RBC count get too high where it clogs the capillaries or something?
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Eq is the base in all my cycles, 1800-2200mg/wk and haven't had a problem yet!
 
UA_Iron said:
anyone else notice this? I cant walk somewhere without getting winded.

Does the RBC count get too high where it clogs the capillaries or something?
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Yup, happens to me. Happens sometimes w/ other aas also.
I don't get winded as much as it is I need to gulp air.
It is my experience that when I start gulping/gasping for air is when the eq is kicking in. Good times to follow.
 
Thats strange...are you on other gear besides the eq...

normally eq increases stamina.

I have been running 2 cc's of GTP 500mg eq EW...it was tested at 458mg/cc..so thats right over 900mg...
i do cardio 3 times a week and feel fine...all the test makes me sweat alot but i dont have stamina probs
 
LftHndPwrHouse said:
Thats strange...are you on other gear besides the eq...

normally eq increases stamina.

I have been running 2 cc's of GTP 500mg eq EW...it was tested at 458mg/cc..so thats right over 900mg...
i do cardio 3 times a week and feel fine...all the test makes me sweat alot but i dont have stamina probs
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For me it's not stamina problems. My stamina gets better on EQ. It's that I get short of breath out of nowhere.
 
short of breath would normally be from the test or other compound not the eq...

Think about it..if your winded and cant breathe...you wont be able to run any longer..if you can breathe you should be able to last longer. It how well your body pulls oxygen out of the air you breathe. with out proper oxygen levels lactic acid builds faster
 
LftHndPwrHouse said:
short of breath would normally be from the test or other compound not the eq...

Think about it..if your winded and cant breathe...you wont be able to run any longer..if you can breathe you should be able to last longer. It how well your body pulls oxygen out of the air you breathe. with out proper oxygen levels lactic acid builds faster
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Did you miss everything else that was said?

How the hell does test make you winded? EQ has a known side effect that is related to capillaries being clogged...you got an evidence for this assertion?
 
UA_Iron said:
anyone else notice this? I cant walk somewhere without getting winded.

Does the RBC count get too high where it clogs the capillaries or something?
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i used 1gram wk of Eq for 16 wks with no problems.
 
just holding extra fluid in general will cause you to feel more winded...

I've never taken that much eq before though
 
UA_Iron said:
I think I'm gonna cut it back to 800mg/week - its ridiculous when you're always winded in the gym.

I didnt see anything noticeable running it at 400mg/week a while back. 800mg/week was nice, was seeing if 1200mg/week would be better. Its been alright but probably not worth the breathing issue.
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Good idea bro
 
UA_Iron said:
Did you miss everything else that was said?

How the hell does test make you winded? EQ has a known side effect that is related to capillaries being clogged...you got an evidence for this assertion?
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From fluid retention.
Too much fluid retained in your body makes your heart work harder and raises your BP.
 
nuevo laredo said:
From fluid retention.
Too much fluid retained in your body makes your heart work harder and raises your BP.
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Exactly, this feeling winded is the result of your heart having to beat faster to keep up with demand. Did you measure your resting heart rate?
 
This does not sound good, my doc was concerned about my RBC count and I was only doing 400EQ/wk. It is possible to get your blood so thick that problems with clotting and throwing clots into the lungs especially can be real dangerous. Hydration is imperitive, my doc thought I was dehydrated causing relative rbc count to be high. It has occurred to me that donating a pint of blood now and then would be of value to lower RBC count. Don't know if I will try it but it has occurred to me.
 
LVTitan said:
you're on steroids and you want to donate blood ??? you dont know who is going to get your blood bro
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Obviously someone lucky, I swear the person that got my blood could probably be brought back to life in the ER, just hope they dont give all this test to a female though :)
 
UA_Iron said:
anyone else notice this? I cant walk somewhere without getting winded.

Does the RBC count get too high where it clogs the capillaries or something?
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I dont know man, I thought it was deca lol I was doing highs of both deca and eq. You sure it was EQ and not deca?
 
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sparetire said:
im running 500 a week right now and I notice during those extreme weeks of cardio and weight training, my chest feels "heavy" at times.. my bp is fine...so I guess it does cause shortness of breath or something!
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I ran 2-3g of eq along with deca. Workouts were fine but when it came to cardio, like sex, I was dead out of breath in 10 sec. Now that I cut the doses I'm fine.
 
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UA that seems strange/counterintuitive since EQ is erythropoietic and more RBC's should increase aerobic capacity.

As to the clotting concern, try increasing water intake, and also try a daily baby dose of aspirin ( 80 mg ?) to reduce clotting capacity.

I had SERIOUS shortness of breath problems on Dbol even after I pissed out the excess water, and found out only later that dbol, unlike most AAS, _reduces_ RBC production after a time and can cause anemia (and thus the shortness of breath). took a few weeks to get my wind back. But EQ is taken by endurence athletes to increase wind.
 
Mavafanculo said:
UA that seems strange/counterintuitive since EQ is erythropoietic and more RBC's should increase aerobic capacity.

As to the clotting concern, try increasing water intake, and also try a daily baby dose of aspirin ( 80 mg ?) to reduce clotting capacity.

I had SERIOUS shortness of breath problems on Dbol even after I pissed out the excess water, and found out only later that dbol, unlike most AAS, _reduces_ RBC production after a time and can cause anemia (and thus the shortness of breath). took a few weeks to get my wind back. But EQ is taken by endurence athletes to increase wind.
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Yep - when on EQ I feel like I cant get enough cardio. Never took any of these monster doeses mentioned on this thread though.
 
Mavafanculo said:
UA that seems strange/counterintuitive since EQ is erythropoietic and more RBC's should increase aerobic capacity.

As to the clotting concern, try increasing water intake, and also try a daily baby dose of aspirin ( 80 mg ?) to reduce clotting capacity.

I had SERIOUS shortness of breath problems on Dbol even after I pissed out the excess water, and found out only later that dbol, unlike most AAS, _reduces_ RBC production after a time and can cause anemia (and thus the shortness of breath). took a few weeks to get my wind back. But EQ is taken by endurence athletes to increase wind.
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Wow, I learned something new abot dbol, I have never heard that before. I have been on dbol now for almost 6 weeks and am getting those sides. Tapering it down now.
 
doyouyahoo said:

I ran 2-3g of eq along with deca. Workouts were fine but when it came to cardio, like sex, I was dead out of breath in 10 sec. Now that I cut the doses I'm fine.
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I've never even heard of someone running 3 G's a week of EQ. I call BS.
 
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