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uglyass
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AOP is distributed by one of the biggest international sources I know of and from what I hear it's pretty good stuff but I have never taken it so can't comment from experience. The source I am talking of only sells British dragon, Human Grade gear and AOP products so why would they risk their credibilty by selling bunk gear?
The reason we asked for the Vets name is if a Vet endorses or condemns a product they will make this information public, there is no harm in that and as you say 'word of mouth is all we have' so we must use it. To say you know vets from other boards and then not back it up isn't really fair on AOP whos only real form of advertising is word of mouth.
I have no affiliation with AOP but don't think it's fair to be bad mouthing a product without credible evidence.
Just my two cents.
UglyASS
The reason we asked for the Vets name is if a Vet endorses or condemns a product they will make this information public, there is no harm in that and as you say 'word of mouth is all we have' so we must use it. To say you know vets from other boards and then not back it up isn't really fair on AOP whos only real form of advertising is word of mouth.
I have no affiliation with AOP but don't think it's fair to be bad mouthing a product without credible evidence.
Just my two cents.
UglyASS
dark side
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DIVISION said:
Listen, I am not trying to harass anyone. I just call it like I see it, and I am calling you out on your comments. If you cant back yourself up, then honestly and with all due respect you should keep your mouth shut.
Here is the difference, I can name current mods right here on Elite Fitness that have known about AOP for many years. I can name previous well known mods, real vets, etc. Why would I go and harass anyone, honestly if they "claim" to be a vet and have not ever heard of BlackLabel (AOP), they are not a vet in the first place. As the previous poster said, there are many other huge international sources that sell AOP (BlackLabel) products on their lists with the rest of their human grade gear, sources that have been around for years and some that are even in the book that EF sells, but I guess they are clueless as well.
Sorry for calling you on your own nonsense, but it was clear that you had not a clue what you were talking about. I am sorry DIV, but you should really learn to not speak up in matters that you are completely ignorant in. It is not helpful to newbies, other members, and the real vets that essentially run these on line communities. Any real vet would come and post up to try and call someone out,and then back it up. Then there are people like you that post nonsense with your 11 months here at Elite like you know everything. Yet there are mods that have been here 5 years that know of AOP, but I guess they are all wrong. Please.
No flame intended DIV, just calling a spade a spade. Cheers.
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dark side said:
I said the vets I know haven't used your gear, that doesn't mean every single vet on every board has not sampled your products. Only a few people on here have even backed you, and they're all from overseas. It doesn't matter whether the Mods have known about you for 5 years.....that doesn't change the fact that you aren't as well known as Syrus or QV.
When I ask people about UG they've tried your name never comes up....now is that all me? Nope. That's the market.
Call it what ya' want, UnionJack......but you don't shit about the current state of UG labs in America.
Cheers, nugga.........
DIV
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DIVISION said:I said the vets I know haven't used your gear, that doesn't mean every single vet on every board has not sampled your products. Only a few people on here have even backed you, and they're all from overseas. It doesn't matter whether the Mods have known about you for 5 years.....that doesn't change the fact that you aren't as well known as Syrus or QV.
When I ask people about UG they've tried your name never comes up....now is that all me? Nope. That's the market.
Call it what ya' want, UnionJack......but you don't shit about the current state of UG labs in America.
Cheers, nugga.........
DIV
Once again, your own ignorance is shining through my friend. First off, AOP is not an underground facility. AOP is a pharmaceutical lab that makes human grade products. To compare AOP products to something made in Tijuana Mexico, is like comparing fecal matter to a t-bone steak. The fact that you would draw that comparison shows what type of knowledge you really have. The fact that you want to put stuff that is made in a third world country into your body is up to you, but to compare the two is beyond ignorant.
If you want to talk to a real vet, why not PM some mods right here on Elite and get them to post if they have heard of AOP. Oh thats right, they do already. Just yesterday as a matter of fact I think I saw a mod here post of us. Oh but wait, according to you mods that have been around for 5+ years right here on this board don't count, right? How about other mods that have been here 2-4 years, not them either right? Better for you to spout things that you have heard from people you can not name, at boards you wont talk about, but they are vets.
You say that vets don't know of AOP, and I am telling you that if you think they are a vet and they say they have not heard of AOP, then they are not a vet at all. Sure, I can find tons of people that get on these internet boards for a year and think they know things, yet they have not heard of AOP. Whats your definition of a vet, because you don't seem to know. You talk like an ignorant child that got his hand caught in a cookie jar. Maybe the people you talk to like cheap under filled, under dosed products made in someones home in America. The kind of company that gets busted and gets their company lists in the open. Maybe you like to put things made in Tijuana into your body, who knows.
I apologize for slightly sinking to your unintelligent level of speaking, but speaking in analytical terms that actually make sense doesn't seem to work for you. Have a nice day DIV and God Bless.
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dark side said:
Very well, bro.
Then what Mods here @ EF can vouch for AOP products? Name them for me so I decipher whether they are people I trust firstly, and secondly whether they have anything to gain from backing you.
Do you realize how many people use QV products? They've got a better rep than most of the UG labs on the market now. Underfilled? All their batches are tested so you know what you're getting in terms of quality.
If the quality was subpar, I doubt people would be using QV. People use products they have had success with, and those products get word of mouth, hence their popularity rises. This isn't rocket science, it's the way the market works.
Don't get your panties in a bunch because I made a statment that I still stand behind. I don't know any vets who use your AOP label products.
Hail Mary!
DIV
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DIVISION said:Very well, bro.
Then what Mods here @ EF can vouch for AOP products? Name them for me so I decipher whether they are people I trust firstly, and secondly whether they have anything to gain from backing you.
Do you realize how many people use QV products? They've got a better rep than most of the UG labs on the market now. Underfilled? All their batches are tested so you know what you're getting in terms of quality.
If the quality was subpar, I doubt people would be using QV. People use products they have had success with, and those products get word of mouth, hence their popularity rises. This isn't rocket science, it's the way the market works.
Don't get your panties in a bunch because I made a statment that I still stand behind. I don't know any vets who use your AOP label products.
Hail Mary!
DIV
You are a very childish boy. I say that as your posting reflects that of a young teenager new to the game. If you don't trust the mods here at Elite Fitness then why do you pay to be here? Why would you ever question any of the mods intentions? I have no doubt at all that 90% of the mods have heard of AOP. Unlike you, I would never say any of them used any products. But the fact that you would ask that or question that again shows to your character and your actually experience posting on these type of boards. This isn't about vouching, this was about people who have heard of AOP, and according to you not one vet has.
MUSTANG_18, macrophage69alpha, HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex, Quadsweep, MattTheSkywalker, The Shadow, RADAR, Mr.X, Zyglamail, Andy13, genarr3, AAP, I am sure each one of those mods has heard of BLACK LABEL or of AOP. Radar just posted the other day about AOP, Huckleberry Fnnaplex has many times over the years, at the least all of them have heard of us, and that was your question. I would never ask nor even talk about who has used what. That is a line that people should be banned for crossing.
To answer your question, yes I know how many people use QV products, but what does that mean or prove. Younger undereducated people will take what they can get or afford, that doesnt make it good. Yes, QV tests their OWN products and post lab results, if you believe that, let me sell you some oceanfront property in Arizonia in the USA. Your arguments are weak and silly and I refuse to sink any lower with you.
I don't wear panties, maybe you do. I simply called you out on a statement that is silly and you cant back yourself up. Anyone can stand behind a pile of manurer, but can they clean it up? I am done with you, you have proven what you are and I would rather take time to help people rather than argue with a child. If I want that, I will go to the nearest day care center and talk with other like minded individuals. Cheers and goodbye.
DarkSide
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Back on topic. I posted this on another thread, but will also post it here for peoples information:
THE EVOLUTION OF THE HIGHER DOSAGE GEAR
Contrary to the popular belief and the majority opinion surrounding the idea that only a certain mg dosage of gear can be dissolved within a specific ml of carrier oil is, in fact, a fallacy. A fallacy due to the absence of products and support from our major steroid manufacturers which then in turn laid the path for foundationless opinions and theories stemming from this lack of presence. The reason for this absence can certainly be credited to the typical decision of most corporations to stay within the norm of their specific business community. In our case the steroid community, the veterinary community, and the chemical community are the entities that put forth the opinions from which they derive their guidelines from. Realistically, how many veterinarians’ do you think would request Nandrolone Decanoate at 400mg/ml? Not too many, I hope. Maybe if you wanted a 300lb Rottweiller. Hmmm….
Adding to this idea, where does it say how much gear can be placed in carrier oil? Where do these people construe such false ideas from? Just because no one was or is attempting these feats, does not mean that it cannot be done. Unfortunately, many people like to make up there own idea’s as to what can and cannot be done when there is no explanation within the majority opinion. Maybe for their own self-indulgence, maybe to sound like they know what they are talking about, I am unsure. However, I am here to tell you different.
It is very simple really. Placing 400mg of Nandrolone Decanoate into 1ml of carrier oil requires the same work as 200mg/ml. Gear with low melting points have a terrific chance of dissolving and staying dissolved within a specific oil BECAUSE of their melting points and the fact that they are oil based and not their dissolvability. Yes dissolvability has a tiny bit to do with it, but not as much as one might think. The gear we are talking about is OIL based which that means when it melts and is in liquid form, it is considered an oil. So, in most cases, anyway, an oil will dissolve in another oil. Let me ask you this, if you mixed soy bean oil and motor oil together, how much soy bean oil do you think would dissolve in the motor oil? Ha, it is a trick question and the answer is, as much as you want. Both, oil based gear and carrier oil, are both considered to have like similarities as far as their liquid consistency is concerned, which is oily. Just as gear crashes or solidifies out of the carrier oil, either the motor oil or the soy bean oil would crash out if the temperatures were brought low enough. Furthermore, let’s say you did get the temperature down low enough to freeze soy bean oil; the result would look very similar to crashed gear.
The problem then, occurs when a materials melting point is high; hence, the solidifying point is high. Or, simply, it will solidify at higher temperatures. Therefore, at your typical room temperature a specific gear with a higher solidifying point will crash easier than a lower solidifying gear. Specifically, the higher the mg dosage per ml of higher solidifying gear the better chance of crashing. Some examples of gear that fit this profile are: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate, Testosterone Phenylpropionate and Testosterone Propionate.
And just the opposite with such materials as nandrolone decanote, testosterone decanoate, testosterone enanthate, who’s solidifying point is very low. These materials therefore have a much better chance of staying in liquid form at room temperature.
As a general rule of thumb, however, a high melting point, defines a high solidifying point.
So, you see, it is not so much about dissolvability as it is about solidifying points. However, dissolvability does come into play when higher dosages come into play. Again, depending on the material, higher dosage could mean 100mg for Testosterone Propionate, however, may mean 400mg for Nandrolone Decanoate. The higher the dosage or the more active material you use, the less amount of carrier oil you have to use. Therefore, the less amount of material in its solid form will stay dissolved. Yes, the material may be oil-based; however, with no oil to insulate it from the cooling temperature, it will crash at VERY high dosages.
THE EVOLUTION OF THE HIGHER DOSAGE GEAR
Contrary to the popular belief and the majority opinion surrounding the idea that only a certain mg dosage of gear can be dissolved within a specific ml of carrier oil is, in fact, a fallacy. A fallacy due to the absence of products and support from our major steroid manufacturers which then in turn laid the path for foundationless opinions and theories stemming from this lack of presence. The reason for this absence can certainly be credited to the typical decision of most corporations to stay within the norm of their specific business community. In our case the steroid community, the veterinary community, and the chemical community are the entities that put forth the opinions from which they derive their guidelines from. Realistically, how many veterinarians’ do you think would request Nandrolone Decanoate at 400mg/ml? Not too many, I hope. Maybe if you wanted a 300lb Rottweiller. Hmmm….
Adding to this idea, where does it say how much gear can be placed in carrier oil? Where do these people construe such false ideas from? Just because no one was or is attempting these feats, does not mean that it cannot be done. Unfortunately, many people like to make up there own idea’s as to what can and cannot be done when there is no explanation within the majority opinion. Maybe for their own self-indulgence, maybe to sound like they know what they are talking about, I am unsure. However, I am here to tell you different.
It is very simple really. Placing 400mg of Nandrolone Decanoate into 1ml of carrier oil requires the same work as 200mg/ml. Gear with low melting points have a terrific chance of dissolving and staying dissolved within a specific oil BECAUSE of their melting points and the fact that they are oil based and not their dissolvability. Yes dissolvability has a tiny bit to do with it, but not as much as one might think. The gear we are talking about is OIL based which that means when it melts and is in liquid form, it is considered an oil. So, in most cases, anyway, an oil will dissolve in another oil. Let me ask you this, if you mixed soy bean oil and motor oil together, how much soy bean oil do you think would dissolve in the motor oil? Ha, it is a trick question and the answer is, as much as you want. Both, oil based gear and carrier oil, are both considered to have like similarities as far as their liquid consistency is concerned, which is oily. Just as gear crashes or solidifies out of the carrier oil, either the motor oil or the soy bean oil would crash out if the temperatures were brought low enough. Furthermore, let’s say you did get the temperature down low enough to freeze soy bean oil; the result would look very similar to crashed gear.
The problem then, occurs when a materials melting point is high; hence, the solidifying point is high. Or, simply, it will solidify at higher temperatures. Therefore, at your typical room temperature a specific gear with a higher solidifying point will crash easier than a lower solidifying gear. Specifically, the higher the mg dosage per ml of higher solidifying gear the better chance of crashing. Some examples of gear that fit this profile are: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate, Testosterone Phenylpropionate and Testosterone Propionate.
And just the opposite with such materials as nandrolone decanote, testosterone decanoate, testosterone enanthate, who’s solidifying point is very low. These materials therefore have a much better chance of staying in liquid form at room temperature.
As a general rule of thumb, however, a high melting point, defines a high solidifying point.
So, you see, it is not so much about dissolvability as it is about solidifying points. However, dissolvability does come into play when higher dosages come into play. Again, depending on the material, higher dosage could mean 100mg for Testosterone Propionate, however, may mean 400mg for Nandrolone Decanoate. The higher the dosage or the more active material you use, the less amount of carrier oil you have to use. Therefore, the less amount of material in its solid form will stay dissolved. Yes, the material may be oil-based; however, with no oil to insulate it from the cooling temperature, it will crash at VERY high dosages.
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