High dose first cycles.

[solidspine]

first cycle, it just does not seem necessary to load up on a lot of gear, my first cycle was 200mg deca and 200mg test for 10 weeks, was just fine.

 

[ultragainz]

well here are my answers to your Q you asked....

"No, but ONLY b/c of unknown reactions (sides)"......I agree with this one more...you never know what type of sides you can get from juice...



"If precautions are taken against sides, moderately high doses are OK.".....I agree with this one too....but even if you think you are taking care of the sides you can still get them...

so i go with.....
"No, but ONLY b/c of unknown reactions (sides)"


also what i posted before was just a thought...in a first cycle i WOULDNT have the dose too low,just normal....not everyone will grow like crazy on a low dose/first cycle.....

 

[Zyglamail]

I voted "no, for both of the above"

The body gets immune to juice, just as it does to any drug. It is like drinking, sure people that can take 20 shots a night no prob look manly, but they are also spending a lot more money and doing a lot more damage to themselves then the 2 shot wonder.

Also, on a first cycle you don't know how you react to drugs. It would be better to have a mild reaction off 500 mg of test, then a very strong reaction with a gram of test.

How can you say the body gets immune to juice? Thats like saying that some day our own hormones will quite working. The only reason I can see not going with a moderatly high dose is due to how you will react.

On the same note, there are many possible reasons why gains diminush and I dont for one second beleive its because you become immune of even desensitised to AAS. First I think we can all agree that homeostasis plays a huge role and the farther away from that the harder it is for us to grow. Another reason that I thuroughly support is that of pure resources required to build, specifically macronutrients. Almost all trace elements function as a catalyst for cellular or subcellular enzyme systems. Without these proteins growth can not occure and when on AAS the rate of growth that is attainable in 3 months often rivals that of what can naturally occure within a year. With that in mind I can say with almost certianty that none of us gets the proper amount of these trace elements during the 3 month AAS cycle that we would normally consume in a year.

 

[therookie]

How can you say the body gets immune to juice? Thats like saying that some day our own hormones will quite working. The only reason I can see not going with a moderatly high dose is due to how you will react.

On the same note, there are many possible reasons why gains diminush and I dont for one second beleive its because you become immune of even desensitised to AAS. First I think we can all agree that homeostasis plays a huge role and the farther away from that the harder it is for us to grow. Another reason that I thuroughly support is that of pure resources required to build, specifically macronutrients. Almost all trace elements function as a catalyst for cellular or subcellular enzyme systems. Without these proteins growth can not occure and when on AAS the rate of growth that is attainable in 3 months often rivals that of what can naturally occure within a year. With that in mind I can say with almost certianty that none of us gets the proper amount of these trace elements during the 3 month AAS cycle that we would normally consume in a year.

I second that, can you get immune to juice??

 

[el cubano]

I voted for No, b/c of unknown reactions, but what I really think is no because of unknown results/reactions. The person doesn't know how his body is going to react. For all he knows, he may have a heart attack or something. Also, it might end up being a waste of money because he may be able to grow just as much on lower dosages, or he may not be able to grow at all! I don't agree with the SUPER low dosage cycles I see, but low/moderate is more the range.

 

[GARAGE GORILLA]

I voted no only because of possible reactions. I don't believe in the theory that you will need a higher dose on your next run because of doses used on a previous cycle. Actually i know it is not true, at least for me. I ran basically the same cycle 3 times in a row only changing test esters not doses and made great gains each cycle.

 

[Andy13]

Barring sides, I think a newbie doing high doses will only get him to his goal faster.

I also think that a lot of guys think they 'grow fast in the beginning' and 'the juice stops working after so many months' b/c they are used to the full glycogen stores feeling they got in the beginning... And it doesn't seem to be getting 'better.'

IT's individual, though. Some guys don't want to suddenly blow up by 20 lbs b/c of what others may think. And, incase you could not tell, I don't believe that one should "gain all he can naturally" before juicing. I know, I know, it's not fair for guys (me included) to train for YEARS naturally to gain what some newbie does after one cycle.. And he should learn how to eat right, etc..... But, physiologically, I don't think there is any real benefit to holding out.

Andy

 

[B-legit]

i voted yes w/ some mixed emotions...
1. Dan Duchaine (claims 1g/week is best for a newbie)
2. I do believe that most all can gain quite a bit of size w/ only half that amount of gear. (as i have done)
3. I feel that your theory of going higher will only help u acheive your goals faster...J.C.21
4. In contrary, quad claims that for someone like him low doses are quite alright.
5. I sort of agree w/ s.k. some people don't really gain off of lower doses as some of my friends cant really put much size on by using 1/2 gram of test/week. (yes, diet and training were good).


one more thing...andy why the hell didn't you use tfse??? J/K (ive used that line a few times now looking at some of the posts ive seen)

 

[ultragainz]

so the second cycle i typed out any good? the first cycle goes over a gram of juice and the second one is just one roid that starts at a gram of juice then goes down...i think its fine...

 

[Ercole]

Big dose first cycles are a waste of money and make no sense. A first-timer can make fine gains on 200 mg of Deca a week, so why should he double or triple that?

Don't cheat yourself out of the gains you can make from low dosages. Dosages should only be increased when the lower ones have become ineffective.

We all know the "more is better" crowd at the gym ... the guys who look like like the Michelin man's uglier brother ... fat, bloated, pus-filled zits all over their back and shoulders, nasty-looking acne scarring.

These are the guys who consider themselves "hardcore iron monsters", but they look more like overgrown marshmallows.

Your body can only add muscle at its own speed, and mega-doses won't change that. They'll just empty your bank account, give you nasty side effects, and guarantee that ONLY mega-doses will work for you in the future.

Be smart, dose AS conservatively, and you'll look better and have more longevity in the sport.

I had been juicing off and on for *15 years* before I ever even thought of using a gram a week. If I hadn't been so conservative, I've probably have to be doing a gram a day by now to see any effects ...