High dose first cycles.

[Andy13]

Vote and then please provide reasoning.

I had to have some kind of standard for a moderatly "high" dose..

I'll call 1000mgs test/week (and other AAS combinations that are more/less in this neighborhood....

 

[bigAragorn]

I voted no because i felt that a gram of test let alone AAS is too much for a first cycle due to the fact that how much will you need the next time....

Im currently on 375mgs a week of test only and have gained about 20 pounds. I think that isnt too bad. Yet i would agree with someone saying 500mgs a week for a first cycle.

b.A.

 

[genarr3]

"No, but ONLY b/c of unknown reactions (sides)"

My reasoning is I've always believed the best and most sensible route is to take the least amount of drugs to attain your goals. In taking a gram or so a week you would never know if you would have accomplished your objective with a lower dose.

Reason #2 - I can't scientifically back this up but there has to be a point of diminishing returns. There has to be a limit to how much muscle you can put on in a ten-week period. This limit might not apply to side effects however. As I said I have no proof to back this up, but I can't be disproven either.

Reason #3 and my last. We all know steroids build muscle, but will not significantly strengthen connective tissue. So injury risk is high.

I'll think of some more and repost.

 

[Andy13]

I'm not really sure you can say there is a limit to how much muscle you can gain in 10 weeks... Wouldn't it differ from person to person? IF you take some vegan who eats 1000cals/day, bump him up to 3500cals with a gram of test/week... Do you think it would be out of reach for him to go from 130 lbs to 180?

 

[DiaBOLic86]

I voted "no, for both of the above"

The body gets immune to juice, just as it does to any drug. It is like drinking, sure people that can take 20 shots a night no prob look manly, but they are also spending a lot more money and doing a lot more damage to themselves then the 2 shot wonder.

Also, on a first cycle you don't know how you react to drugs. It would be better to have a mild reaction off 500 mg of test, then a very strong reaction with a gram of test.

 

[ultragainz]

well i think the first cycles should be at a good amount of juice....lets say 750-500mgs of sus is good...so you can hit 750mgs for 2-3 weeks or so then go down to 500mgs....with some deca/eq at 400-300mgs with some d-bol too around 35mgs.....

so that cycle equals over a gram of juice a week....

or you can just take 750-1000mgs/test a week alone with some anti-e's(should be in all/most cycles)

 

[ultragainz]

forgot add this....on the second cycle you can keep it normal then build up.........

or just keep it normal for the first cycle....

 

[ultragainz]

here is an example....

wks---test---d-bol----deca
2------750----35-------400
2------750----35-------400
3------500----35-------300
4------500----30-------300
5------500----30-------300
6------500----20-------300
7------500--------------300
8------500--------------200
9------250-------------------
10----250--------------------

ok this cycle hits over a gram in the first weeks then it goes down...


wks--test----armidex
1-----1000---1mged
2-----1000---1mg
3-----1000---1mg
4-----1000---1mg
5-----1000---1mg
6-----1000---1mg
7-----800-----1mg
8-----600-----1mg
9-----400-----1mg
10----200-----1mg
so this cycle you start at a gram and then go down....

so both cycles can be fine....

 

[ultragainz]

ok iam just saying this....i DONT give crazy first cycles to rookies....no iam NOT a hardcore juicer(i take average high/low amounts)....in the future i might be

 

[me2dammit]

no both of the reasons above

For a first cycle you never know how you will react. You might respond to the minimum amount where somebody needs more(of that specific anabolic.)

We all know how sides can manifest out of the clear blue. One day your fine, the next your posting "I got itchy nips, help!!!"

I see alot of people running crazy first cycles, maybe I'm crazy but I think those of us that are on our 2nd or 3rd cycles should still keep it simple and the doses kind of mild.

Some people get evel kenievel with the gear.