Hi all ... new dude

[Lawless84]

hi all new dude here

Sorry if this is the wrong fourm

Im male 21 from uk .... been training about 3ish months now started with my old man 20years a bodybuilder , since then i now have my own free weights ( over 100kg) bench, bars , dumbells etc etc

My aim is to get my strengh up & hopfully gain muscle on the way , at the mo im training shoulder & triceps mondays tuesday back & traps rest wedensday thursday leg's , friday chest biceps weekends off

Im eating 5-6 times a day 4 meals & snacks im also on 500mg of sust a week , only ever had a 6 week cycle before this on oral - anabol , im not expecting to get huge in a few months but this is my 1st cycle ( 2nd ever cylce ) with sustanon , how long before i see any noticeable results, will i have to do a few cycles & months more training to get results , willing to work hard , id like to be bigger by the coming summer if possible

I get my gear off my old man so know im not getting crap he's been in the buisness ages , any help or advice would be great

Law

Edit : by the way im roughly ten stone at the mo , whats that 140lbs?

 

[Hurricane55]

Did you already start your cycle?

 

[Maxx Out]

Welcome lawless!

My advice would have been to not use aas unless u had a good natural base (or atleast a year of natty training). Sorry bro but welcome anyway!

 

[Sean Scott]

welcome aboard

 

[Lawless84]

Hi thanks H, maxxed out, sean scott !!

Allready started my cycle im 5 weeks in .... ive trained in the past as a teen in a prison gym that was for 8 months a couple of years ago , i woludnt say im skinny as it is

5ft 8" tall ,140lbs

still ay its a no no?

Thanks

 

[Lawless84]

What would be the reaon for me not taking them now ???
Would it affect me grwing or somthing ?Thanks

 

[Ulter]

You shouldn't waste your money on steroids. You don't have enough mature muscle to build on. Whatever you gain you will probably lose again. You need to train for at least 2 full years before you get into steroids.

 

[bighippie11]

if you're 21 you're probably done growing height wise, but high amounts of estrogen can stunt growth if you're not done. post up a diet and pct(post cycle therapy). cals, protein and such. if you're five weeks in you should be seeing gains w/ proper diet.

 

[Lawless84]

Well thats abit off a kick in the face

This is what i have to work on .... not enough i take it ?

 

[Lawless84]

if you're 21 you're probably done growing height wise, but high amounts of estrogen can stunt growth if you're not done. post up a diet and pct(post cycle therapy). cals, protein and such. if you're five weeks in you should be seeing gains w/ proper diet.

Hi mate , i am seeing thicker forarms & genral gains but little .... i smoke weed daily too i know this isnt good for me which is why i diet & exercise & try to use a vepe , but do have joints plus it give me appitite to eat 5-6 times daily

Not actully writting down protien carbs etc just moitoring them , ill usally have oats in a morning with nutri grain bar , chicken sandwich snack, rice tuna or pasta n chicken for dinner , amother snack like tin of tuna stright down the hatch , tea time chicken korma , or somthin with rice & usally a snack hour or so before bed , will it do me good keeping track of all my intake & what should i be aiming for protien/carbs/calories etc

thanks

 

[under]

Welcome mate, I hope your old man also has your pct sorted out for you. Not to bash you m8 but at 21 you would have gained the weight without the gear that you arew going to gain. But too late 4 that now. Like I said just make sure youve got your pct sorted out. Where in brum are u from?

 

[needtogetaas]

You shouldn't waste your money on steroids. You don't have enough mature muscle to build on. Whatever you gain you will probably lose again. You need to train for at least 2 full years before you get into steroids.

..

 

[CO B-man]

Welcome but if your dad is your source and he has been in the business for 20 years why would he just give you some stuff and say have fun without giving you direction?

 

[Lawless84]

Thanks under , needto

Im from nottingham need matey other side of midlands lol

I understand what you are all saying & have took it onboard , so i didnt really need to steriods - yet

Think my old man started at 21 dunno how long he trained for before that tho ill have to ask when i go for my sust tomorow , pre cycle treatment , what does this entail then? ill also ask about this tomorow

So if i carry on with my cycle(s) & training will i still grow & get strengh as one should?

thakns guys , sorry about the noob q's

 

[under]

NO mate, PCT mean post cyle therepy, after the event, if you dont have it sorted out yet then I suggest you search all you can for PCT on the boards, or you can end up with your nuts the size of nothing and you can end up being lighter than when you started, this IS serious shit, you need to ask alot of Q's and do some research. NO disrespect to your old man but becuase he may be old school may mean that he has never used PCT and just jumped back on the gear when he starts to lose his gains.

 

[Lawless84]

Welcome but if your dad is your source and he has been in the business for 20 years why would he just give you some stuff and say have fun without giving you direction?

Hi there thanks for the welcome

He hasnt just gave me the steriods & let me get on with it , infact i havnt even had sust without him doing it at his place , he's told me what diet to eat what routine (weights) to do & does the injection's for me i know it sounds like he gave em me & packed me on my way but its not like that

Im just trying to learn/ find my own path so to speak

Nice to meet everyone too

NO mate, PCT mean post cyle therepy, after the event, if you dont have it sorted out yet then I suggest you search all you can for PCT on the boards, or you can end up with your nuts the size of nothing and you can end up being lighter than when you started, this IS serious shit, you need to ask alot of Q's and do some research. NO disrespect to your old man but becuase he may be old school may mean that he has never used PCT and just jumped back on the gear when he starts to lose his gains.

Tbh mate i dunno about what he does after he cycle's , somthing else im going to have to ask i dont want to be like what you have mentioned

Been doing research all week , & found imo this was the best board for info ill search pct asap thanks

its kinda in the family my uncle & old man both use , im suprised he hasnt informed me more tbh

Thanks again

 

[Lawless84]

After a quick search about pct i dont wanna stop these without the right stuff & suffer all the ill effects that come with that

Any advice on what to use etc would be great?

 

[under]

Nolva or clomid etc. But some get more sides with clomid. Nolva is good less sides. The guys on here can help with this if you ask, you need to get this as a priority mate.

 

[under]

This is what "lawnsaver" posted for another guy today. As this is exactly what u are taking then you should be good to go.

Week 1 to 10: 500mg of Sus per week (250mg M and Th)
Week 1 to 15: 3 to 4 pumps of AIFM ED
Week 12 to 15: Clomid Therapy (300mg day 1, 100mg ED next 10, 50mg ED final 10)
I would pick up some HCG and take 300ius every 4th day throughout. This will prevent any atrophy to your testicles and will allow for a faster recovery

 

[Lawless84]

Thanks man , im just trying to take it all in thought i had it all coverd , obiviously not...

Nolva ill do a serch on that in a sec too , is it oral or Iv

HCG & Ed more searching for me to do

Any idea's on where to get this stuff & isit legal?


Thanks again

 

[under]

No m8 nolva is used to help women with breast cancer.It is perscription only. It is oral. But AG guys sell it in a liquid form. If your old man does not have this stuff, then you need a NEW SOURCE. Try looking here:

www.ag-guys.com menat to be veruy good.

 

[ElMatador]

welcome bro...

 

[Lawless84]

No m8 nolva is used to help women with breast cancer.It is perscription only. It is oral. But AG guys sell it in a liquid form. If your old man does not have this stuff, then you need a NEW SOURCE. Try looking here:

www.ag-guys.com menat to be veruy good.

Thanks again your a great help

Ill find all this out tomorow when i go see my old man .... & see what his views are on this hopfully he will allready have it it woulld save me time/money

Nice one under

welcome bro..

Thanks for the welcome , thanks everyone again

 

[acneman]

Thanks again your a great help

Ill find all this out tomorow when i go see my old man .... & see what his views are on this hopfully he will allready have it it woulld save me time/money

Nice one under



Thanks for the welcome , thanks everyone again

dont expect the same info
old school gearheads did it differently
but the pct info on this site is top notch and state of the art
mabey if he dosent know about it you can teach him a thing or two
he will say thanks after his next cycle

he might be up to date with this info but i doubt it because he would have discussed it with you before now

 

[Mac173]

HCG & Ed more searching for me to do

Ed= everyday. Don't do a search I doubt you'll find anything, unless you look in the stickies.

 

[corporate ceo]

Well thats abit off a kick in the face

This is what i have to work on .... not enough i take it ?

you are a VERY little man.

CEO

 

[Wrongun]

Welcome Lawless84 and yes research would assist you a lot

Wrongun!

 

[kbrkbr]

Bro, do you understand that this smiley means "gay?"

 

[CO B-man]

you are a VERY little man.

CEO

Did it work for you? You know your unecessary flame make you feel better about yourself? Just wondering. I saw your two picture gallery and dont think you are huge either. And before you go there, No, I never said nor do I believe that I am huge either.

 

[acneman]

you are a VERY little man.

CEO

im kind small compared to a lot of men myself

however when i discussed it with my wife she said my tounge was as big as any man shes ever known and that was the most important

 

[CO B-man]

im kind small compared to a lot of men myself

however when i discussed it with my wife she said my tounge was as big as any man shes ever known and that was the most important