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PBR said:
do not do for less than 4 mon....@ 2ius per day, this is the minimum IMHO....best- 6 mon @ 4ius per day......

I agree. GH needs to be done ED for the best results, IMO. tried both 5on/2off and ED. ED is they way to go.
 
Is it even worth it to run 2 IUs per day for six months if thats all we can afford?

And if so would it be better to run a cycle of 1 month at 1 IU (medical dosage) and the next at 3 IUs?
 
Underrated said:
Is it even worth it to run 2 IUs per day for six months if thats all we can afford?

And if so would it be better to run a cycle of 1 month at 1 IU (medical dosage) and the next at 3 IUs?

I have a couple of buddies who are on 2iu and they are about 3 months in. Both have nothing but good things to say about their results. They are both on test only and slin with the gh.

...bd
 
ok guys, i found out some more info about it. it is made by serena or serano. something like that. he said that the box has 7 vials and each vial is 6grams.
 
I am thinking of doing hgh also.I can get it for $400 I believe the brand is Serastan or something like that.I've had friends tell me that they use it doubled up for the first 2 weeks and off of it for a month.Dont know much about it.They say better results that way.Training Day.
 
training day said:
I am thinking of doing hgh also.I can get it for $400 I believe the brand is Serastan or something like that.I've had friends tell me that they use it doubled up for the first 2 weeks and off of it for a month.Dont know much about it.They say better results that way.Training Day.

No flame intended here, but it sounds like you may need to do a bit more research before getting into gh.

...bd
 
I can't remember where I got this info, but I did not write it.
Credit is due the author.

Hopefully this will help you out.

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GH

Rating: (1 being the lowest, 5 being the highest)
Strength-4
Weight Gain-4
Fat Loss-4
Side Effects-2
Keep Gains--4

Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Aromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are
predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a potent fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

Where to Inject, How, and How to Make:
You can site inject anywhere you can reach the subcutaneous layer. Pinch the
flesh and pull back, then insert the needle in the "pocket" underneath. Doesn't
absorb quick enough if you inject into the adipose tissue. Do not inject
intra-muscular, though it can be done, it is not recommended. GH is a site
injection, where it is shot is where it will burn the most noticeable fat. Most
people do it in the stomach since that is a typical sub q shot with most of the
fat being in that area. GH should be kept in a fridge; freezing will destroy the
GH. On your kit it probably says to use the kit in 18-24 hours, remember these
are for AIDS patients, not bodybuilders or athletes. Mixing the GH can either be
done with sterile water or bacteriostic water. The kit with water will be fine
for 3 days in the fridge, even with the sterile water, but you should not take
this chance, rather you should use bacteriostic water and play it safe. This
will keep it fine for a couple of weeks. When mixing the GH, let the water slide
down the side as to not pulverize the GH wafer. Do not spray it directly against
the wafer with any force. Before reconstitution and even after GH is fragile!!!
Also once the water is injected into the bottle gently swirl the vial to
reconstitute, do not shake or swirl violently!!!!

Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc -/+
100 units per 1 cc

6 mg = 18iu

1 ml = 18iu

.50 ml = 9iu

.25 ml = 4.5iu

Some people choose to only do it in cc’s but here is how you can do it in units
on a slin dart

5.5 = 1iu, so 2iu = 11 on a slin dart

Dose:

4 to 6 iu ed is sufficient. Most people take it 5 days on 2 days off at their
designated dosage. There is no reason or evidence why you cannot stay on for
various lengths of time; there is no need to go 5 on 2 off other than cost.
Considering that our natural production is only .5 to 1.5iu a day, this is still
a huge bump for the body. Research has shown that the body's natural defense
systems render mega doses of GH ineffective, anyway. GH does not cause gains in
mass...it allows you to put on a great deal of lean mass in combination with
proper steroid and insulin use. The user before taking must know this. One or
two kits are not enough, you need at least 3 to make you happy, GH takes a while
to make its effects, but remember they are long lasting, what you see is what
you keep. It takes 6 to 8 weeks to notice a dramatic change in body comp using
GH on an ED or 5/2 split. Lighter doses for long periods of time are better than
large doses for short cycles. Like any other drug, the more you take the more
the benefits, but likewise also more risks. 4-6 iu is a standard dose but many
people take more, the most repulsing side effects happen at or beyond 12 iu a
day but like anything else it depends on your predisposition for it.

INSULIN AND GROWTH HORMONE
Growth hormone (GH) is one of the most sought after bodybuilding drugs due to its' legendary abilities to strip off body fat and increase muscle mass. The former is accomplished through direct lipolysis (fat release from adipocytes), which GH does to an incredible degree. Muscle mass acquisition is accomplished through: the direct stimulation of protein synthesis, increasing amino acid uptake by muscle cells, and by greatly stimulating IGF-1 synthesis in the liver. It is this last point that is of interest to us because it is the main anabolic mechanism for GH, and it is also where insulin comes in to play. More than half of GH’s anabolic effect is due to IGF-1 production, but unfortunately this is quite often wasted. This is because IGF-1 has an extremely short half-life in the bloodstream, so it usually doesn't reach many target tissues (muscles for our interest) to exert maximum anabolic effect. To rectify this situation, insulin can be used to increase the amount of an IGF-1 binding protein (specifically IGF1-BP3) that actually helps IGF-1 to reach the muscles and exert its' extreme anabolism. Insulin also reduces the amount of "bad" IGF1 BP's, (BP's 2 and 4) that would normally interfere with IGF-1 uptake and use by muscle. To say that there is a synergistic effect between insulin and GH doesn't do the combination justice. It makes me shudder to think of the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on GH, without using it to the maximum anabolic potential. From a fat loss perspective, GH is incredible. It should directly negate the lipogenic effect of insulin, leaving you with one KICK ASS combination.


How to Stack:
GH is best taken in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, as anyone here who has tried it will testify. This is because GH injections cause a down regulation of insulin sensitivity in the body.
GH alone causes little growth of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results can be down right remarkable...esp. in the older bodybuilder. Start light with the humulin...5iu...and work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation. If you are scared to take insulin thought, then Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH is good for cutting if used alone. Glucophage allows for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you want. The half-life of GH is only 2 hours so spread it out. Avoid bedtime injections since we produce the bulk of our own GH in the first two hours of sleep. Since exogenous GH suppresses this, you should not take it before bed. For best results, use a 17aa oral during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural insulin growth factors. I would run the test throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic combination.
It is also wise to preload with testosterone before starting GH if you are going to do it. You should preload with the amount of time it takes for that testosterone to kick in, since most of us take longer acting esters for testosterone you should usually start taking the test 2 weeks before GH use. Likewise, you can accommodate it to fit your needs; the key is for the test to be kicking in the same time you are starting to run your GH. You can cycle you steroids however you want to depending on your goals, if you are going for a more massive look than you would run insulin for most of the cycle and use high androgens, but if you are looking for additional leanness at the end of a cycle you should stop the androgens and run a higher dose of GH or run less androgens. T3 is also another substance that should be used during GH cycling since GH lowers thyroid hormones. T3 should be used for shorter periods though, because it can permanently alter the endocrine system. The magic of GH for men is the ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when stacked properly with insulin, and steroids. GH also makes for amazing improvements in skin...smoothes wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue, gives that paper-thin contest look...and also gives one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being.

Major Difference Between GH and Steroids:
Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.

Half-Life of GH:
Exogenous (injected) GH has a "half-life" of approximately 2 hours . . . a 4-hour period of activity during which there is a suppression of naturally produced GH.

GH Naturally Produced:
We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep...you may take a little time to adjust.... your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. It is good to take a nap, that’s when you grow anyway. It always helps to take naps after workouts and injections everyday.

GH Causing Acromeglia:
Acromeglia is a disease...you either have it or you don't. Supplementing GH will not cause it. Persons suffering from acromeglia, like Andre the Giant, lack the natural defense mechanisms of the body to regulate the production and effects of GH secretion in he pituitary. It is well established in the medical literature that exogenous GH will not cause the disease.... of course it would worsen the condition in those who had it.

GH Gut: Myth or Reality?:

Some researchers claim that any gains in weight experienced by subjects using GH alone was due to growth of internal organs and connective tissue, which could cause some problems. Most studies do not agree with this theory and consider "GH gut" to be a myth. Some people are allergic to synthetic test, this is something you have to find out for yourself. Some people also feel intestinal discomfort from time to time, if so take it down to one item at a time to see what is causing you discomfort; creatine, glutamine, protein products, orals, and dirty gear have all been known to cause this, so find the problem early.

GH and IGF-1:
Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis.

GH and IGF-1 are negative regulators of GH release so an increase in either (from a GH injection) reduces the secretion of GH. IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain in a useable condition.... it must be handled very gently and have bee kept at a rather precise temperature at all times. One can stimulate IGF production through the use of an oral steroid during cycle. Dbol, for example, causes a rather extensive release of IGF during the first pass through the liver.

The leading studies in this area: (Ney, 1999, Yarasheski, 1994.... Am J. App. Phys.)
In the Yarasheski study, no increase in lean muscle mass was noticed in the subjects using GH alone, but significant gains were found in subjects that supplemented with IGF and GH...add in the steroids and look out! Yarasheski studied weight trained athletes, supplementing one group with GH alone, and one group with GH and IGF. "So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. (Leanness and increased lean mass) Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis." Both seem to negatively downregulate the other over time, so as to lead to diminishing returns. Cycling would be in order for that reason. Also supplementing both is necessary because one or the other alone will suppress the natural production of the non-supplemented Latest study by Yarashevski - with GH alone...8 to 12% change in lean body composition. 6% increase in muscle mass

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there was some mis-information on the above post so here are the corrections...

T-3 should not be used with GH. It will hinder the gains of a GH cycle by decreasing nitrogen retention.(1) Also it was unknown at the time that GH actually increases T-3 instead of decreasing it. (2)

Also...oral steriods do not release IGF-1 throught the passing of the liver. They do however raise GH by other means of action. In studies done with dbol and anavar, these drugs are actually acting either on the pituitary or hypothalamus to increase GH output.(3, 4, 5) So this would explain the increase in IGF-1. So orals are still good to use probably...just not as crucial as everyone thinks.

It is true that since natural GH secretion occurs mainly at night, injecting at this time could suppress the anterior pituitary gland (and natural GH secretion). The flipside to this statement is that GH has been said to be more anabolic when injected at night.(6) So this is a good time to inject for those looking for the best results possible. The pituitar should return to normal post cycle.

(1)Growth hormone prevents prednisolone-induced increase in functional hepatic nitrogen clearance in normal man.

Wolthers T, Grofte T, Jorgensen JO, Vilstrup H.

Department of Medicine M (Endocrinology and Diabetes), Aarhus University Hospital, Kommunehospitalet, Denmark.

(2) Horm Metab Res 1970 Sep;2(5):260-4
The effect of methandrostenolone on pituitary growth hormone secretion.
Hochman IH, Laron Z.

(3)Effects of long-term growth hormone (GH) and triiodothyronine (T3) administration on functional hepatic nitrogen clearance in normal man.

Wolthers T, Grofte T, Moller N, Vilstrup H, Jorgensen JO.

Department of Medicine M (Endocrinology and Diabetes), Aarhus University Hospital, Denmark.

(4) Endocrinology 1972 May;90(5):1396-8
The role of growth hormone in the anabolic action of methandrostenolone.
Steinetz BG, Giannina T, Butler M, Popick F.

(5) J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1990 Oct;71(4):846-54
Testosterone and oxandrolone, a nonaromatizable androgen, specifically amplify the mass and rate of growth hormone (GH) secreted per burst without altering GH secretory burst duration or frequency or the GH half-life.
Ulloa-Aguirre A, Blizzard RM, Garcia-Rubi E, Rogol AD, Link K, Christie CM, Johnson ML, Veldhuis JD.

(6)Horm Res 1990;33 Suppl 4:77-82
Pharmacological aspects of growth hormone replacement therapy: route, frequency and timing of administration.
Jorgensen JO, Moller J, Moller N, Lauritzen T, Christiansen JS.
 
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