HGH Side Effects

[SUST-MAN]

Just started taking HGH for the first time.

I'm takin 3iu at 1pm.....

Yesterday, while working out my biceps.....i noticed my left elbow retaining fluid. I know that HGH makes you retain water, especially in your joints, but is this normal to have just one elbow fill with fluid?

Also, this maybe unrelated, but i seem to wake up a bit dizzy.

Thanks!

 

[liftsiron]

I had one friend who had to get nearly a pint of fluid drained from his elbow on gh. Oh wait a minute that was a pint of pus drained from his penis, poor chap seemed to have aquired a case of the clap back stage at a local npc show, prejudging can take so long.

Now on the serious side gh can cause some water retention, but not in one area like your elbow. Water bloat from test, gh, etc. is most offten evenly distributed throughout the entie body, if you are on your feet all day you may notice some pooling in the ankle area. Can gh make you dizzy, quite possible, the two major concerns would be number one has your blood pressure gone way up, get it tested. The second most common way would be because fluctions in glucose levels, gh will affect these. Eat small meals often and certainly eat when you arise in the morning. Also be prepared to experience carple tunnel like effects soon if you have not already.

 

[Zyglamail]

liftsiron nailed it. Ive never heard of localized water retention like you describe either. Ive been on 2-3IU for a bout 6 weeks now with now sides, at 4IU and 6IU dialy I suffered some serious arm and hand numbness, so bad I lost almost complete feeling in my arms for a good 4 weeks. It slowly sets sets but I was stupid and figured I would "work through it"...NOT

 

[Zerxes]

I suffered some serious arm and hand numbness, so bad I lost almost complete feeling in my arms for a good 4 weeks. It slowly sets sets but I was stupid and figured I would "work through it"...NOT

I'm in the same boat as you. I have been on HGH since this past February, and this past week my hands were so stiff, that I had the push my knuckles into my quads & force my fingers to ball up, in order to make a fist. In the left hand, as soon as I pulled my hand away from my quad, the fingers SNAPPED back out into a palms-flat, fingers-straightened position. The tendons are just so tight it is sickening. I was in the same frame of mind as yourself, as I thought that I would just work through it, but I'm also to the point now that I am having to consciously find positions to get my upper body into just sitting here typing this, so that my arms and fingers won't start to tingle & go numb. I have heard that this is actually symptoms of "Carpel Tunnel Syndrome" coming on. I just hope that with the ceasation of the GH, that it goes away. I am going to have to take the rest of the year off from it.

 

[Zyglamail]

At the base of the hand is a tunnel that tendons and nerves pass, the median nerve to be precise. Its normally very snug and if the passage is constricted due to tendon injury (most commonly from repetative stress) it increases the preasure and pinches the median nerve causing the numbness etc. In your case Zerxes it sounds like there is a hole bunch of preasure if you cant even make a fist. With GH the linnings of the nerve passages often swell and retain fluid which is causing the numbness. It does go away but takes time. I didnt get full felling back in my fingers for about 4 weeks or so. I would stop immediatly until you get all feeling back and then start up again at a smaller dose, perhaps 2IU dialy and see how that goes for 4 weeks or so, if all is well raise it an IU every few weeks. If ya start to get sides, back it down an IU.

 

[Stillgoing]

At the base of the hand is a tunnel that tendons and nerves pass, the median nerve to be precise. Its normally very snug and if the passage is constricted due to tendon injury (most commonly from repetative stress) it increases the preasure and pinches the median nerve causing the numbness etc. In your case Zerxes it sounds like there is a hole bunch of preasure if you cant even make a fist. With GH the linnings of the nerve passages often swell and retain fluid which is causing the numbness. It does go away but takes time. I didnt get full felling back in my fingers for about 4 weeks or so. I would stop immediatly until you get all feeling back and then start up again at a smaller dose, perhaps 2IU dialy and see how that goes for 4 weeks or so, if all is well raise it an IU every few weeks. If ya start to get sides, back it down an IU.

Is this as common as it is sounding?? Will you get any results off of a smaller dose like 2to4IU??

 

[liftsiron]

I'm in the same boat as you. I have been on HGH since this past February, and this past week my hands were so stiff, that I had the push my knuckles into my quads & force my fingers to ball up, in order to make a fist. In the left hand, as soon as I pulled my hand away from my quad, the fingers SNAPPED back out into a palms-flat, fingers-straightened position. The tendons are just so tight it is sickening. I was in the same frame of mind as yourself, as I thought that I would just work through it, but I'm also to the point now that I am having to consciously find positions to get my upper body into just sitting here typing this, so that my arms and fingers won't start to tingle & go numb. I have heard that this is actually symptoms of "Carpel Tunnel Syndrome" coming on. I just hope that with the ceasation of the GH, that it goes away. I am going to have to take the rest of the year off from it.

I was really bad a few times, so I went to an orthropod and got a tribosome( a type of localized cortisone, very strong) injection into the carple tunnel. It works like magic and lasts for months. It has worked for four of my friends as well, not all MD's can give this injection, you need a hand specilist or a orthropedic who treats carple tunnel. It works in less than 12 hours.

 

[Zyglamail]

Is this as common as it is sounding?? Will you get any results off of a smaller dose like 2to4IU??

It seems to be a pretty common side at higher doses 5+IU. You should still see decent results at 2-4IU. I think ironmaster only uses 2IU dialy which is still double what we normally produce anyway, especially if your older.

 

[Zerxes]

I was really bad a few times, so I went to an orthropod and got a tribosome( a type of localized cortisone, very strong) injection into the carple tunnel. It works like magic and lasts for months. It has worked for four of my friends as well, not all MD's can give this injection, you need a hand specilist or a orthropedic who treats carple tunnel. It works in less than 12 hours.

I had a Cotizone injection once in my Shoulder. Can't say I liked it much. You know you're in for something painfull, when the doctor at Med-Center has to call all of the Nurses on duty into your room, so that they can hold you down so you don't jump while he is crucifying you with that whalehook-like needle. He needed each and every one of those girls too, cause that mofo HURT!! I can't imagine getting one of them into the wrist bro, DAMN! I think I'll just take the rest of the year off and then resume 1/1/03 and hope that the same doesn't happen. Should I decrease the dosages next time, or keep it the same(5.5)? All things being equal, it did take 8 months for my wrists, arms, and hands to get this bad, so perhaps I'll stay with the same. Any suggestions liftsiron...Zyg? Thanks.

 

[Zyglamail]

Ive had cortisone injections in the eye socket, definatly didnt like those much. As for getting them elsewhere I would be very carefull, studies indicate that it does irreperable damage to tendons/ligiments.

In the case of GH use, its the water retention causing it and lowering GH dose is the best way to get around it in my book. Cortisone injections for me are last ditch effort.

If I were you Zerxes, I would take time off until you got all feeling and movement back(prolly take 4-6 weeks, maybe less). Then start it up again at 2IU and increase it by 1IU every four weeks or so, if you feel the slightest bad sides back it off an IU and see how it goes. GH isnt nearly as dose dependant as AAS is so dont think you need massive doses.

 

[ItalianSta]

Wha brand of gh are you guys using ? I had domestic sero kits and in the begining I g=had carpel tunnel , I've been on for a year and am currenlty taking 6iu of those exports and no tfeeling the sides at all .

 

[droid]

Wha brand of gh are you guys using ? I had domestic sero kits and in the begining I g=had carpel tunnel , I've been on for a year and am currenlty taking 6iu of those exports and no tfeeling the sides at all .

I had the same thing happen to me. I bought 5 export kits and had symptoms thru the first two. Then all subsided with the third kit, so I upped it and still nothing. Well as we all have come to find out that these kits are repackaged chinese gh and need to be refridgerated at all times. Most sources were not aware of this and never refriderated them as they were led to believe they were actual serostim. So more than likely your kits had the same fate as mine as that they are degraded and have little or no active gh left in them.


DROID

 

[Zyglamail]

I was having same problems on EP2000 (eropean standar), CP2000 (chinese standard) and serono serostim.

 

[kbrkbr]

It seems to be a pretty common side at higher doses 5+IU. You should still see decent results at 2-4IU. I think ironmaster only uses 2IU dialy which is still double what we normally produce anyway, especially if your older.

Ironmaster, who has been on gh for years and knows as much about it as anybody, has stated that gh is less about the AMOUNT that you use than the DURATION you use it. Also said he couldn't tell the diff between 4iu and 2 iu. I'm sticking to 2iu. Why take the risks and spend all that money on doses that can cause problems?

 

[XXXL]

I was having same problems on EP2000 (eropean standar), CP2000 (chinese standard) and serono serostim.

hey Z, which were you running when you had these problems and of all the gh you've run, what would be your favorite?

 

[Zyglamail]

I had problems with all of it at 4-6IU dialy. The CP2000 would sometimes leave red welts where injected but seemed very powerfull. The EP2000 I would say is my fav, its as smooth as serono but cheaper.

 

[HGH man--Chargeback]

It's not amazing to have some weird effects from HGH . I think it's because HGH is made for the older people that need it or those that have a lack of growth hormone. I think HGH in a normal body that does'nt require it (below 30 years old ) you can have some strange things going on. Are you checked out by a DR. prior to getting on HGH and will you be looked at afterwards. I know most B.B. get on this for a short time. You should go back to normal after getting off it. I take 4IU's for my age but I have a Pituitary tumor so I have to take it. No problems for me in 9 months. The most amazing part is my cost, $7.00 for a months supply. VA Hospitals are great. An Endocrinologist would be the person to talk to.

 

[liftsiron]

You need to take cortisone over a long peroid of time to weaken tendons, if you lift heavy when a tendon is weakened by long term cortisone use then you may rupture it and the rupture could result in perminant damage. You will not get anywhere the dosage needed to weaken large tendons due to the fact that the injection stays in the local area and does not go systemic. The cort used for wrist and hand injections contain an anthesetic so you don't feel a thing. I would suggest this treatment to anyone suffering from severv carple tunnel, and believe me I'm not a fan of cortosteriods by any means. A side note cipro and other antibotics in the cipro family weaken tendons much faster than cortasone and have been responsible for over 2000 tendon ruptures. There have been numerous tendon tears on cortasone treatment as well.

 

[liftsiron]

Also on the ser import kits if they reach a temp of only 71 degrees F. and remain at that temp for only a few days they become basically worthless. I like the results that I get with 2 to 3ius over a long peroid of time.

 

[SUST-MAN]

so.....no reason why i would get localized water retention?

There is one other part which i forgot to tell you....i just started taking shots in my triceps.....is it possible that shooting one cc in my tricep caused some irritation in the area.....and my body put fluid there to fix it?

Thanks for all your help.....even though we got off the topic a bit.

 

[solidspine]

I have been on growth for about 5 weeks and have exactly the same problem,

My left elbow has a pocket filled with fluid, doesn't hurt, just looks funny.

Temped to drain it my self.

 

[SUST-MAN]

Drain it with an 18 gauge needle?

 

[liftsiron]

I think that the shots in the tricep very well may be what is causing your proplem, watch for signs of infection.

 

[bbkingpin]

liftsiron nailed it. Ive never heard of localized water retention like you describe either. Ive been on 2-3IU for a bout 6 weeks now with now sides, at 4IU and 6IU dialy I suffered some serious arm and hand numbness, so bad I lost almost complete feeling in my arms for a good 4 weeks. It slowly sets sets but I was stupid and figured I would "work through it"...NOT

Between 6 and 9 i.u./day I would wake up 5-10 times per night with Numb elbows and arms. It persisted during the day while awake. It was VERY NUMB -- a significant side-effect.