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hgh induced gyno

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elitetoxin

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been on hgh for just over 6 months(no roids, but T4 100mg ed)
had gyno cut out 4 months ago
idiot doc didnt get it all in one side, he'll be going in again to get it right.
in the meantime, that side is acting up, puffiness of the nip area .. looks like it's aquiring fat.
doing nolva at 20mg ed for 2 weeks, havent really produced results.
libidio is THROUGH the roof, wich i take as a sign of elevated test levels and thus estrogen, hence the nolva.

looking to get some femera ... good idea / bad idea ?
 
I am having the same prob to bro... the doc didnt get all or mine and it looks like i have a lil fat in there... Someone please help
 
gh has that ability... controlling estrogen is the key.. it all depends on what works for you..

letro will work, but will take you to almost nothing..

good luck..
 
alright letro it is ...
i could start out agressive to target the puffy buildup and then gradiually lower it to a minimum, thus, hopefully still leaving *some* estro in my system.

another thing, its not as stupid as it sounds, but, could adding test, say 250mg/wk do the trick also ?
 
i read that hgh causes new receptor sites in the tissue, and that you cant stop it even with an anti e or serm.
 
yautja said:
i read that hgh causes new receptor sites in the tissue, and that you cant stop it even with an anti e or serm.
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Why wouldn't you be able to stop it if there were new receptors? Are they mutant receptors or something?
 
yautja said:
i read that hgh causes new receptor sites in the tissue, and that you cant stop it even with an anti e or serm.
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... dont say that heh
im going to get me some letro .. just mad that i cant get it RIGHT NOW!!

ps .. oh yea i HATE that fucking doc .. took 4 months to get it 'lookable' .. now i have to go through that again .. fucked up when your single, cant very well be picking honeys up when your chest is all scared up :worried:
 
The gyno growth from GH is very common. I can think of three things to blame for it – none of them directly estrogen related.

Due to the close resemblance of GH to prolactin and its inherited lactogenic activity, it can directly stimulate breast tissue growth. Vitex would help reduce prolactin, and at least suppress the synergy of both peptides, and reduce the occurrence of gyno. Cabaser would help too. The GH also causes increases in IGF-1, and IGF-1 causes everything to grow, including the mammary gland… and especially when estrogen and GH are high – It creates a gyno synergy.

Another factor is the additional water being held during a GH cycle. Water tends to store in the chest and cause the nipples to sag. However, this would go away upon cessation of GH use.

-Pp
 
omfg ...

vitex ?

what about bromocriptine ? ... i got that on hand !! (i quick google reveals that bromo works on prolactin too??)

you sure do sound like you know what you're talking about, Primordial Performance, where do you get the "is very common from" ? just curious :)
 
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elitetoxin said:
omfg ...

vitex ?

what about bromocriptine ? ... i got that on hand !! (i quick google reveals that bromo works on prolactin too??)

you sure do sound like you know what you're talking about, Primordial Performance, where do you get the "is very common from" ? just curious :)
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"Very common" because it happened to me years back, and when I looked into it further I realized it was happening to a lot of bros.

Bromo would work too.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
"Very common" because it happened to me years back, and when I looked into it further I realized it was happening to a lot of bros.

Bromo would work too.

-Pp
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thanks man ... now for the final question!! How did id fare with your gh induced gyno ? did you get it under control, did it go away on its own ?
 
elitetoxin said:
thanks man ... now for the final question!! How did id fare with your gh induced gyno ? did you get it under control, did it go away on its own ?
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Yes, it goes away when the GH is stopped.

Its kinda something you just have to deal with unless you want run anti-e's and anti-prolactins.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
The gyno growth from GH is very common. I can think of three things to blame for it – none of them directly estrogen related.

Due to the close resemblance of GH to prolactin and its inherited lactogenic activity, it can directly stimulate breast tissue growth. Vitex would help reduce prolactin, and at least suppress the synergy of both peptides, and reduce the occurrence of gyno. Cabaser would help too. The GH also causes increases in IGF-1, and IGF-1 causes everything to grow, including the mammary gland… and especially when estrogen and GH are high – It creates a gyno synergy.

Another factor is the additional water being held during a GH cycle. Water tends to store in the chest and cause the nipples to sag. However, this would go away upon cessation of GH use.

-Pp
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Very interesting... I didn't know that, especially the hGH ~ prolactin part.



:cow:
 
Pp.....so would 100mcg of igf ed be enough to cause pre-exisitng puffy nips to flare up again?? i am using igf and tren but don't knwo which is causing it yet.
 
bbkingpin said:
With nolva so cheap and prevalent and effective, why not take it on a daily basis for life?
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Well, considering it's a weak estrogen, it doesn't serve much purpose outside of controlling aromatization and gynocomastia during steroid administration.

Nate brought up a good point in his thread regarding receptor downregulation, too... definitely a possible application here as well.



:cow:
 
bbkingpin said:
With nolva so cheap and prevalent and effective, why not take it on a daily basis for life?
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Perhaps because nolva is an established carcinogen and hepatotoxin.

Vascular,

Your problem is from a synergy of the IGF-1, tren (progestin activity), and estrogen. If you eliminate the prolactin and estrogen you should be fine.

-Pp
 
samoth said:
Well, considering it's a weak estrogen, it doesn't serve much purpose outside of controlling aromatization and gynocomastia during steroid administration.

Nate brought up a good point in his thread regarding receptor downregulation, too... definitely a possible application here as well.



:cow:
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What do you mean it doesn't serve much purpose? It blocks the ER, which can be very effective for controlling gyno given the fact that there are no progestins involved and prolactin isn't an issue. With certain compounds, it can serve a definite purpose.
 
Primordial Performance said:
Perhaps because nolva is an established carcinogen and hepatotoxin.

Vascular,

Your problem is from a synergy of the IGF-1, tren (progestin activity), and estrogen. If you eliminate the prolactin and estrogen you should be fine.

-Pp
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thanks bro....does vitex and b6 actually help and if so at what doses? sorry if i am being a thread hijacker
 
krishna said:
What do you mean it doesn't serve much purpose? It blocks the ER, which can be very effective for controlling gyno given the fact that there are no progestins involved and prolactin isn't an issue. With certain compounds, it can serve a definite purpose.
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Umm... I was saying that it didn't have much use outside of gyno/aromatization control while using steroids. Like, there would be no reason to be on it for one's whole life -- this comment based upon another poster's mention of using it every day for the remainder of one's life. (I double checked, I quoted the correct post, lol.)



:cow:
 
What? never heard u can get gyno from HGH

is it dose specific? 2.5 i/u a day likely to cause that?

and am i reading right that the type of gyno it causes will go away after u stop hgh, and not to panic?
 
Never, never heard of this,

I was on growth with and with out anti-e’s for over two years,


Learn something new everyday.


Good luck
 
floridalife said:
What? never heard u can get gyno from HGH

is it dose specific? 2.5 i/u a day likely to cause that?

and am i reading right that the type of gyno it causes will go away after u stop hgh, and not to panic?
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Yes, part of what seems like gyno, is really just extra water causing the nipples to become puffy or sag, which would go away after quitting the hGH -- unless you let things get out of hand.

-Pp
 
really like the nfo this thread has created .. hijack away, the search feature can be a bitch to navigate..
im defnetly trying out B6 (and vitex), cause i just remembered why i hate bromo so much .. feels like im always a couple of inches besides myself.. damn. (would oral B6 work, seeing how many bro's go with injectables, just wondering).

Info that may benefit someone else; it seems to only attack my right side, and thats the side where the doc left a little lump/knot behind (it's been there from the beginning since surgery, its circa constant in size, and hurts when i roll over it on stomach (training exercises, boxing etc).
That tells me that this, prolactin issue if that's what it is, attacks the gland part of the chest, or atleast opreates in synergi with it.
 
This is strange, I have been on Gh for almost three years straight and never had a hint of gyno. Mind you, I only take 2iu ed so maybe it is the high dose that is problematic.

Cheers.
 
Primordial Performance said:
The gyno growth from GH is very common. I can think of three things to blame for it – none of them directly estrogen related.

Due to the close resemblance of GH to prolactin and its inherited lactogenic activity, it can directly stimulate breast tissue growth. Vitex would help reduce prolactin, and at least suppress the synergy of both peptides, and reduce the occurrence of gyno. Cabaser would help too. The GH also causes increases in IGF-1, and IGF-1 causes everything to grow, including the mammary gland… and especially when estrogen and GH are high – It creates a gyno synergy.

Another factor is the additional water being held during a GH cycle. Water tends to store in the chest and cause the nipples to sag. However, this would go away upon cessation of GH use.

-Pp
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On this issue: how do the risks measure up when comparing AAS and HGH? (i.e. average dosage of HGH vs a comparable dosage of test or tren)

its a given that overall cell growth is increased throughout the body when taking HGH, but if one reduced the prolactin levels while taking HGH; could the gyno be avoided? (i.e. attempting to reduce the stimulation to the chest glands while taking a drug which stimulates overall cell growth)

would one be more susceptible to higher levels of chest tissue growth (and gynecomastia) on HGH compared to AAS?
 
dugie65 said:
On this issue: how do the risks measure up when comparing AAS and HGH? (i.e. average dosage of HGH vs a comparable dosage of test or tren)

its a given that overall cell growth is increased throughout the body when taking HGH, but if one reduced the prolactin levels while taking HGH; could the gyno be avoided? (i.e. attempting to reduce the stimulation to the chest glands while taking a drug which stimulates overall cell growth)

would one be more susceptible to higher levels of chest tissue growth (and gynecomastia) on HGH compared to AAS?
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As it was mentioned, hGH is really is a different kind of gyno.

Still, Id say your much less likely to have a problem with hGH alone. Its not a real problem untill you introduce high estrogen, progestins, prolactin, ect.

I would rank the risk higher with trenbolone causing gyno than hGH.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
The gyno growth from GH is very common. I can think of three things to blame for it – none of them directly estrogen related.

Due to the close resemblance of GH to prolactin and its inherited lactogenic activity, it can directly stimulate breast tissue growth. Vitex would help reduce prolactin, and at least suppress the synergy of both peptides, and reduce the occurrence of gyno. Cabaser would help too. The GH also causes increases in IGF-1, and IGF-1 causes everything to grow, including the mammary gland… and especially when estrogen and GH are high – It creates a gyno synergy.

Another factor is the additional water being held during a GH cycle. Water tends to store in the chest and cause the nipples to sag. However, this would go away upon cessation of GH use.


-Pp
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I get gyno from HGH, period. Anything over 2iu's and I get knots, no fat, knots. Painfull and hard to get rid of. I have used Nolva, Letro, Dostinex, all depends on the scenario....

BTW, I was working with one of the best anti-aging docs in the US when I discovered my problems!
 
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