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Hey, JackedAngel:

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lol. no, i won't be buying anymore. apparently, i'm the only one who hasn't gotten impressive results. as i'm fond of saying, i'm broken. but one bottle is enough for my experimentation.
 
jackangel said:
lol. no, i won't be buying anymore. apparently, i'm the only one who hasn't gotten impressive results. as i'm fond of saying, i'm broken. but one bottle is enough for my experimentation.
i'm still wondering why you bought that stuff, did you buy a lot of AF store stuff too?
 
jackangel said:
lol. no, i won't be buying anymore. apparently, i'm the only one who hasn't gotten impressive results. as i'm fond of saying, i'm broken. but one bottle is enough for my experimentation.
just wondering. i don't want to rain on anyones parade...
 
Lestat said:
i'm still wondering why you bought that stuff, did you buy a lot of AF store stuff too?

curiosity? more money than sense? i wasn't fooled by any hype, but willing to try it for the fuck of it.

only way to know is to see for yourself. and even then, the truth is an elusive thing.

i've bought some AF store stuff. still buy YES from time to time, or some T-rex.
 
plenty of solid products made by the sponsors, no doubt. but i've been doing the real thing for so long...
 
eh, I learned a lot the hard way with a lot of body building supplements.

Without trashing any sponsors, lets just say this, the guys who already have their shit together and who are juiced up are the ones seeing awesome results, there are no control studies to see how they would work under more average conditions.

A lot of average bros try the stuff and are left wondering why they didn't see dramatic effect, the answer is: lift heavier and eat more. Or if you are cutting, eat less and do more cardio, then you will see the products be more effective.

well, duh.

For me, it was neurogenix that killed it, i mean come on, a pill to make you smarter?
 
Lestat said:
eh, I learned a lot the hard way with a lot of body building supplements.

Without trashing any sponsors, lets just say this, the guys who already have their shit together and who are juiced up are the ones seeing awesome results, there are no control studies to see how they would work under more average conditions.

A lot of average bros try the stuff and are left wondering why they didn't see dramatic effect, the answer is: lift heavier and eat more. Or if you are cutting, eat less and do more cardio, then you will see the products be more effective.

well, duh.

For me, it was neurogenix that killed it, i mean come on, a pill to make you smarter?
i think the intention was to improve the ability to concentrate & focus. which has been done with other controlled substances already. but i believe they were just gunning for a legal alternative. but if someone did mention becoming more intelligent from taking a pill, the obvious target group must have been dumbasses.....
 
i can't say that any particular product works. i'm just willing to use some, or at least try some, from time to time. i hope it does something...that's kind of weak motivation, so i don't do much of it.

the specific reason i wanted to try this dermacrine is to see if it might provide some kind of edge while in a caloric deficit because i'm more focused on cutting. however, i realize this makes things more difficult.

if i weren't concerned about body fat, i could clean bulk at 2500 and i would have no problems making gains now, primarily because i'm still getting back into shit. when you're back in the gym after years out, the first few months are cake, as long as you're not run down from shit loads of running and 1500-1800 calories a day.
 
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