here's my testless cutting cycle

[hanibal]

starting in mid feb, 20 weeker:
wk1-16 500-600 LSP Boldemix/week
wk1-16 50-75 proviron ED
wk3-12 T3( i'm thinking if the EQ increases my appetite drastically, at least i can eat alot more calories and not worry about gaining much while on T3.
wk5-13 LSP Stanabolan 100 50-100 ED
wk10-20 LSP Primo 600/wk
wk15-PCT AIFM
clomid, HCG and AIFM PCT.
i haven't done a cutting cycle without test in almost 5 years. i want to try again. i think as long as i'm on proviron/AIFM i should be shut down too hard. what do u think about this cycle?ONLY looking for lean gains, no bloat or fat. i will be under 10% BF before starting.

 

[Makavelli]

I think you should add test.

 

[hanibal]

i was gonna add 100 EOD prop but really don't want to. i find it hard to get really lean on test, any test. i get lean but i want to get ripped. u think w/out test, it will fuck my nuts up bad... even w/ proviron?
was also considering doing sus at just 250 every 10 days. but then i have to worry about using letro since i'm gyno prone. i don't want to use it. it makes me very unhorny. i want EQ to be the base. later on primo.

 

[krishna]

i was gonna add 100 EOD prop but really don't want to. i find it hard to get really lean on test, any test. i get lean but i want to get ripped. u think w/out test, it will fuck my nuts up bad... even w/ proviron?
was also considering doing sus at just 250 every 10 days. but then i have to worry about using letro since i'm gyno prone. i don't want to use it. it makes me very unhorny. i want EQ to be the base. later on primo.

It will fuck your nuts up worse WITH test. I like testless cycles bro. Probably be doing one similar soon but with masteron if I'm lean enough. EQ is the base in all my cycles from now on; either that or primo, as both stimulate collagen growth, whereas test slows it down. The only concern of running eq and primo together is that primo is a derivative of eq and both have been known to cause TE. I wonder if combining them will make it more likely to happen? Have you run them together before?

 

[drrman]

I like it

 

[nydj66]

Since the only compound you'll be using that aromatizes is EQ (and that barely aromatizes) do you really need the AIFM? Especially since proviron has anti-estrogen properties of its own.

If it were me, I'd add 250mg/wk of test-E. Then libido would be covered and the AIFM addition would make sense.

 

[krishna]

Since the only compound you'll be using that aromatizes is EQ (and that barely aromatizes) do you really need the AIFM? Especially since proviron has anti-estrogen properties of its own.

If it were me, I'd add 250mg/wk of test-E. Then libido would be covered and the AIFM addition would make sense.

Proviron will take care of his libido. Eq raises my libido by itself.

 

[hanibal]

i've ran EQ and primo together back in 2000. low dose though. primo at 400/wk and EQ at 350-400/wk. only 10 weeks too. even though it was low dose and not that long, i had good results. back then though i didn't know shit about ancillaries, PCT, diet or how my body responds. today is a whole different ball game.

 

[Makavelli]

Test has more functions in the body than just libido. I would still add a small amount.

 

[Ulter]

You won't add much mass but I gather that's not the point here.
There are not varying degrees of being shut down. Hard or not hard. Off is just off.
Recovery is harder when there is no test in the cycle. That's not a problem here because you're finishing with primo, which is close enough.
It's a good cycle to cut with because the AS will offset the T3.

 

[nydj66]

You won't add much mass but I gather that's not the point here.
There are not varying degrees of being shut down. Hard or not hard. Off is just off.
Recovery is harder when there is no test in the cycle. That's not a problem here because you're finishing with primo, which is close enough.
It's a good cycle to cut with because the AS will offset the T3.

Just a note on primo:

Scherring sponsored a study to guage the practicality of using primobolan for HRT. They gave 10 hypogonadal men 100mg/week of Primobolan and gave the control group 100mg/week of testosterone enanthate.

At the end of 8 weeks the primobolan group showed reduced estrogen levels and increased prostate size while reporting a decrease in libido and sexual activity.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/willbrink14.htm

 

[krishna]

You won't add much mass but I gather that's not the point here.
There are not varying degrees of being shut down. Hard or not hard. Off is just off.
Recovery is harder when there is no test in the cycle. That's not a problem here because you're finishing with primo, which is close enough.
It's a good cycle to cut with because the AS will offset the T3.

Why do you think testless cycles are harder to recover from? I've been recovering way better now that i don't use test. And if there aren't varying degrees of shut down, why do my nuts shrivel up on test way more than other compounds (and hurt for that matter)?

 

[hanibal]

i never had a problem w/ prostate from primo. tren YES. i will do it again. not worth me getting up 10X/night dribbling out piss and tossing and turning while i soak the sheets and snap on everyone. no more. i haven't done primo since tren cycle. i wonder if primo will bother me now...

 

[jagerbombme]

It will fuck your nuts up worse WITH test. I like testless cycles bro. Probably be doing one similar soon but with masteron if I'm lean enough. EQ is the base in all my cycles from now on; either that or primo, as both stimulate collagen growth, whereas test slows it down. The only concern of running eq and primo together is that primo is a derivative of eq and both have been known to cause TE. I wonder if combining them will make it more likely to happen? Have you run them together before?

what's TE?

what's collagen growth?

thanks krish

 

[krishna]

what's TE?

what's collagen growth?

thanks krish

TE is telogen effluvium, which is dramatic hair shedding caused by hormone fluctuations. The whole follicle falls out, and it will usually grow back if the right precautions are taken, but your hair grows back in cycles, and it may grow back patchy or uneven for awhile. Collagen growth is the catalyst for connective tissue formation, i.e., tendons, ligaments, dermis, etc.

 

[thebrakes]

You won't add much mass but I gather that's not the point here.
There are not varying degrees of being shut down. Hard or not hard. Off is just off.
Recovery is harder when there is no test in the cycle. That's not a problem here because you're finishing with primo, which is close enough.
It's a good cycle to cut with because the AS will offset the T3.

i disagree wholeheartedly on the shutdown comment, and i think a great deal of brotelligence agrees with me. recover harder with no test? nah.

primo close enough to test? again, not true.

questionable advice this time Ulter, with ZERO science to back it up (unless you got some?)

 

[hanibal]

hmmm...

 

[bighippie11]

i wouldn't run the stanabol more than 6 weeks