HereI go...

[Pat_McCrotch]

I know i had posted in the past that I was going to start my next cycle mid october. Well I have a little girl coming in Janurary so I wanna be done with everything including PCT or just finishing it up when she gets here.

1-13 Test e 500mg/wk AS
1-13 Deckplex 500/wk AXIO
1-6 Tbol 50mg/day AS
1-4 Test P 100mg eod
8-13 Anavar 50mg/day


I have adex on hand and clomid for PCT with myogenx and unleashed.

I will also be using milk thistle through out. I know orals can be hard on the liver but I have my doubts as to how bad. I know of many people at the gym and from other places that have used all oral cycles starting with dbol and finishing with winny and they were fine. so please no flaming on the orals cause I DONT GIVE A FUCK what your opinions on the orals are.

I am 6 - 6'1
202lbs
approx 10%bf
Training for a while off and on mainly on since I was 15. i am 33. Over the past 2 years or so I have become a lot more serious about training.
This is roughlt my 6th cycle. The first 4 I had no clue what i was doing. I have learned alot from the boards here. So thanks guys.

my diet is good. i will be eating atleast 300 of protein but shooting for more.
My diet will be approx 40-30-30

my Split:
day 1 back and shoulders
day 2 Chest
Day 3 Legs
Day 4 arms
day 5 abs calves
day 6 and 7 rest

 

[Advisor_x]

You had me at "I DONT GIVE A FUCK" nice way to ask for an opinion..........

 

[chazk]

the first 4 weeks is pretty high hitting the 2 gram a week mark
that much juice would have me hovering over my wife with a pillow while she sleeps


i think the anavar would be better used the first 6 weeks
and no oral at the end
but thats just me.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

the i dont give a fuck was for opinions on how bad orals are. Not on the cycle.

Why the var at the beginning? Should I do the tbol and the var together? cut the prop back to 50mg/day?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Well since I have aan oral at the start should i cut out the prop and save it for some other time?

 

[chazk]

anavar works for me really quick strenght gains go through the roof and its a good way to kick off a cycle

i dont care that you dont care about the orals and will use what ever you want
i think its just a waste to run the extra ones at the end
nothing to do with side effects i think its just a waste of money

id save the test testosterone propionate and Turanabol
just run the anavar
1-6 weeks 50-60mg
1-13 test testosterone enanthate
1-13 decaplex

youll have so much steroids in your system built up by week 6

its your call but me id rather save the test testosterone propionate and Turanabol for next time when your running a lean out cycle becuase to use them with decas water retention really would not show the full hardning effect of the test and Turanabol and in theory make those hardnin drugs a waste to use right now

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Thanks Chazk. Sounds good.

 

[layinback]

errn, i kicked of my primo test prop and test e cycle TODAY!!! i am stoked and i know you are too! post some progress pics 6 weeks in. good luck bro. btw chazk sounds like he knows his shit!

 

[Jon79]

the i dont give a fuck was for opinions on how bad orals are. Not on the cycle.

Why the Anavar - oxandrolone - at the beginning? Should I do the Turanabol and the Anavar - oxandrolone - together? cut the testosterone propionate back to 50mg/day?

depends how long u want the oral run to be?

tbol is usless after 4 or so weeks it stops working

plus if you are not drinking 1.5 plus gallons of water a day you kidneys will kill anytime u try to do any cardio

you can run var longer

and no do not do var and tbol together ...if anything up the prop

 

[Jon79]

here is my suggestion

1-13 testosterone enanthate 500mg/wk AS
1-4 Test P 100mg eod (maybe lower it or taper it down as the testosterone enanthate kicks in)
1-13 Deckplex 500/wk AXIO
1-4 Turanabol 50mg/day AS
7-13 Winstrol - stanozolol 75mg/day

whats the most test you have done/wk in previous cycles?

maybe you should not frontload the testosterone propionate so heavy or taper it off as the testosterone enanthate kicks in and you come off testosterone propionate?

just a suggestion bro

 

[702daswoll1]

the first 4 weeks is pretty high hitting the 2 gram a week mark
that much juice would have me hovering over my wife with a pillow while she sleeps


i think the anavar would be better used the first 6 weeks
and no oral at the end
but thats just me.

That is funny shit right there.... I hovered over my GF last night for a bit..

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

here is my suggestion

1-13 testosterone enanthate 500mg/wk AS
1-4 Test P 100mg eod (maybe lower it or taper it down as the testosterone enanthate kicks in)
1-13 Deckplex 500/wk AXIO
1-4 Turanabol 50mg/day AS
7-13 Winstrol - stanozolol 75mg/day

whats the most test you have done/wk in previous cycles?

maybe you should not frontload the testosterone propionate so heavy or taper it off as the testosterone enanthate kicks in and you come off testosterone propionate?

just a suggestion bro

I have always run 500mg test with decent results. i have some winny biut not enough to run it that long.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Thanks guys.

 

[fpc4ever]

y would u run test prop with this? just frontload the test-e.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

why would you not. test e takes 2-3 weeks sometimes for it to kick in. test p takes less time. you dont really front load with a long acting ester. the TEST p would be a kickstart until the test takes full effect.

 

[mobro]

i agree with your test-p front load ( i remember you have some freebies floating around so why not. why not start with 100 eod and taper off as the E kicks in?)

sounds like you have been working out long enough to form your own opinions but i have been using a different split lately that has really made a diff. day 1- chest/tri's, day 2- back/bi's, day 3- off, day 4- legs, day 5- shoulders, day 6- off

got some really good advice from someone here on the workouts and they have really helped me. just a suggestion

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Thanks Mobro.

 

[layinback]

y would u run test testosterone propionate with this? just frontload the test-e.

this guy always has something critical to say. he was the same guy giving OMEGA a hard time.


message for fpc4ever: lighten up bro.

 

[sincere81oo0]

i think this cycle looks tight!! keep it the way you had it just lighten up the prop but dont drop it... your only using it as a kick off... good luck bro and keep us posted!!

 

[OMEGA]

where is layinback?

ps: Ern you need a new rotuine

oops you got one

 

[nzrodney]

I agree with those above errn, i think your cycle is GTG but would taper out the prop as the enanthate kicks in which should be by end week 2 no problems. Tbol is a mild oral & at 50mg not going to give you too much trouble, it does not give same estrogen related probs as dbol or Drol. I like using an oral to finish off a cycle although to be fair I dont really finish, LOl. It can give you that added boost when things plateau at the end. Enjoy.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

where is layinback?

ps: Ern you need a new rotuine

oops you got one

LOL and it is kicking my ass. I changed up my cycle a bit. i decided to run the test P until it was gone. i started the test e when i had about 3 wks left of test p.

I just finished the t bol 3 wks ago and and started winny 50/mg/day and var at 40mg/day about 2 weeks ago. I am almost done with teh decaplex at 400mg/wk. I like the results so far. i am ot getting huge but i thik it was my training. i wasnt responding very well to it. I would change it up everytime I went to the gym.

I need to new routine. any suggestions OMEGA? lol

On this cycle I have gained a good 5 lbs. I feel bigger but on your program i suspect I will gain aother 5 lbs of solid muscle if not more and drop down to aroud maybe 7% BF, WHICH I CARRY MOSTLY IN MY WAIST.

 

[OMEGA]

you should gain 15 no prob on this workout routine

maybe even 20

your doing MORE then enough all else will fall into place naturally

 

[jumpmaster82]

all in all it looks like a good cycle.

 

[702daswoll1]

Damn this is an old thread.... Love the cycle bro.

 

[jeb0177]