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[cadey]

right here goes. i stopped using aas nearly 4 months ago did a pct of 10000 iu hcg and nolva for 2 weeks.my nuts regained size but then about a week after pct ended they shrunk again. so i tried clomid for 3 weeks no change. so i thought ill leave everything alone for a bit and see if anny thing happens. nope my nuts are still the size of peanuts and its getting me down. my last shot of test was at the end of jan my cycle looked like this weeks 1-25 500mg test cyp weeks 1-8 400 mgs deca. i fear i may have done some damage what do you bros think? i told my doctor the situaation he said everything will be fine in a few months this was at the end of my cycle. im 22 years old. i am really stating to regret ever using gear cus i think it may have destroyed my chances of ever having kids any input appreciated.

 

[MichaelScott]

25?

 

[cadey]

25?

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[MichaelScott]

25 weeks?

 

[Mac173]

If you ran a 25wk cycle, it might of been good to run a low dose HCG midway for a wk or two.
Anyways, I would run HCG one more time at 500iu for 10 days and see if that helps.
I doubt you did permanent damage but 25wks is a long time to be supressed.

 

[cadey]

yh 25 weeks i know its a bit harsh but i was loving the gains and the strenght i really didnt want to stop but i figured it was safe to.

 

[Mac173]

One more thing, keep your cycles a little shorter in the future especially since you are only 22.

 

[njmuscleguy]

that's a long time to run that much test bro... all flaming aside, your "PCT" was all over the place. How did you dose the HCG (how much IU per day and how many days?).. How much nolva? How much clomid? How is your libido right now?

That's 2 cents for now.... will gladly give you 2 more cents when you answer those questions

 

[cadey]

1000 iu eod 20 mgs nolva ed 2 weeks then clomid 50 mg ed for 3 weeks.

 

[Mac173]

1000 iu eod 20 mgs nolva ed 2 weeks then clomid 50 mg ed for 3 weeks.

That's a pretty solid PCT.
I would run the HCG one more time.
Do you feel as if your test levels are low?

 

[cadey]

libido was poor but ive noticed in the past few weeks it has boosted slightly

 

[Mac173]

So your doctor is aware that you were using steroids, correct?
You might want to look into getting bloodwork done to see where you stand.

 

[lil-swole]

FIRST, get blood work done to see where your hormone levels are. Nut size is too subjective - do you feel lethargic, deppressed, etc?

If blood work comes up indicicating you have hypogonadism, then you should go see an endocrinologist. Dr. JMW used to post on this board and he was an endocrinologist. This is what he stated to do.

Weeks 1-3: HCG: 1000U IM Mon/Wed/Fri
Weeks 1-6: Nolva: 20mg
Weeks 1-6: Clomid: 50mg (optional)

But really, if the blood work comes back and says you have hypogonads, then go see an endocrinologist... it's best to be under the care of a doctor that is trained for this so you can get proper blood work, etc.

Hope everything works out for you.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Agreed, PCT looks ok...and definitely get blood work first...

Personally,
1) I wouldn't have used Nolva (that's just me... kills my libido!)
2) You probably should've run smaller dosages of HCG either at some point DURING the cycle or even throughout... that's a hell of a long time to be suppressed/shut down
3) That being said, you were "on" for a long time... it will take a while to bounce back up...

I've tried clomid / nolva PCT's a bunch of times and never had luck with them... Not sure if doing HCG again is the way to go, but if you do, run smaller dosages (250-500iu ED for 10-14 days) to minimize further suppression; and run an AI at the same time. In fact, you could try running something like dermacrine at the same time... it will act as an SERM and AI at the same time. I recently tried it and it worked nicely.

 

[cadey]

FIRST, get blood work done to see where your hormone levels are. Nut size is too subjective - do you feel lethargic, deppressed, etc?

If blood work comes up indicicating you have hypogonadism, then you should go see an endocrinologist. Dr. JMW used to post on this board and he was an endocrinologist. This is what he stated to do.

Weeks 1-3: HCG: 1000U IM Mon/Wed/Fri
Weeks 1-6: Nolva: 20mg
Weeks 1-6: Clomid: 50mg (optional)

But really, if the blood work comes back and says you have hypogonads, then go see an endocrinologist... it's best to be under the care of a doctor that is trained for this so you can get proper blood work, etc.

Hope everything works out for you.

i actually feel very well which surprised me i was expecting to feel like shit after my cycle finished.strenght has gone down dramaitcally but appetite is the same libido decreased and i was suffering from deca dick but that has gone now. libido is still a little low but it has definatly improved and i still manage to have sex once or twice a day. my doctor is bit of an arse really cus i asked him to do blood work and he just said dont worry everything will be fine and gave me something for my acne.

 

[cadey]

thanks bros this is really helping me there are some good bros on this site and im very grateful for all your replys keep em comin

 

[cadey]

Agreed, PCT looks ok...and definitely get blood work first...

Personally,
1) I wouldn't have used Nolva (that's just me... kills my libido!)
2) You probably should've run smaller dosages of HCG either at some point DURING the cycle or even throughout... that's a hell of a long time to be suppressed/shut down
3) That being said, you were "on" for a long time... it will take a while to bounce back up...

I've tried clomid / nolva PCT's a bunch of times and never had luck with them... Not sure if doing HCG again is the way to go, but if you do, run smaller dosages (250-500iu ED for 10-14 days) to minimize further suppression; and run an AI at the same time. In fact, you could try running something like dermacrine at the same time... it will act as an SERM and AI at the same time. I recently tried it and it worked nicely.

you know what i think it may have been the nolva that killed my libido.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Yeah, too long. Too much HCG. Nolva sucks. Yep, you pretty much did everything wrong.

Now all you have to do is ride it out. Check some of the supps below, they may help. So may MyogenX. Hang tough and feel better soon.

 

[Mrpumped]

You should have run PCT for 6-8 weeks before stoping. Follow what everyone else told you and you should be fine in a couple of weeks.

 

[st8grad]

I wonder if the 1000 iu's eod was too much and considering the 25 weeks all PCT was too short. Too much HCG can desensitize. Run HCG 250 iu's eod again, but shoot it SQ with slin pins. Run the nolva again at 10mgs per day and add in Aromasin at 10-20mg per day.

 

[tdringo]

i actually feel very well which surprised me i was expecting to feel like shit after my cycle finished.strenght has gone down dramaitcally but appetite is the same libido decreased and i was suffering from deca dick but that has gone now. libido is still a little low but it has definatly improved and i still manage to have sex once or twice a day. my doctor is bit of an arse really cus i asked him to do blood work and he just said dont worry everything will be fine and gave me something for my acne.

Damn bro, once or twice a day? Thats sounds like pretty good libido to me. LOL

 

[cadey]

lol yh i know my girl is a bit of a nymph which is a bonus!!! up until a few weeks ago i was spending a fortune on viagra lol

 

[daveyboy2345]

next time plan your cycles to a maximum of 12 weeks, or use propionate(npp, and orals) and keep them at 8 weeks max. if your really worried about recovering faster next time around.