Help with Deca cycle-AAS Gurus only!

[soreback]

Heres the foundation:
Less then 180 # powerlifter- wants to stay that way (dont want weight gain)
33 y/o 15+ yrs PL/BB
1/2 Previous cycle eperience ( started on Winny- Lost Hair - Vanity took over- Quit Cycle-appro 2 yrs ago)
No appreciable gains
Want to do 1st cycle with 250-300mg Deca/wk (have all goodies on hand)
Do not want to post cycle with Clomid- ( will try the herbal route)
But have proviron, Nolva, Prop, Hcg, on hand and Bromo available if needed.
Would like to stay away from the Prop. if ( I pray ) no signs
of Deca Dick
I would take the Prop(300 mg /weekl)if symptoms occur and drop the proviron and start on the Nolva.Will be taking Proviron 25 mg ( could up to 50 mg) a day -along with the Deca if not taking Prop to try to ward off any etra estrogen and provide a little umph. ( I know DHT hard on hair, will use topical preventatives). Mostly I need advice post cycle. Should I start on Nolva. and Hcg 1 or 2 weeks post
last injection? Hcg should be around 500 iu 3 times a week (??) and for how long? If I didnt use the test could I get away with no Nolva? I know how to use the Bromo if progest/prolac. gyno shows. Suggestions appreciated
P.S I am officially Broke

 

[soreback]

 

[lartinos]

Why not just run tren. The stregth gains on tren shit on the ones you get from deca

 

[majutsu]

hmmmm lartinos with the blunt point!

 

[Dr. M]

If you don't want to gain weight, don't use deca.

Being a powerlifter, you'll soon find that your two best friends will be Trenbolone and Halotestin.

-M

 

[RADAR]

If you don't want to gain weight, don't use deca.

Being a powerlifter, you'll soon find that your two best friends will be Trenbolone and Halotestin.

-M

Agreed...you will get some bloat plus gains.......the above will put on some hard muscle plus incredible strength!!!!!

RADAR

 

[soreback]

Thanks guys..

Dont want to do the Halo.. ( Im 175lbs--do they make a dose that small?)



Tren is an option.. Wont that make you gain weight too?

Is PCT essentially the same on Tren as Deca?

Var is prob. my best option but expense .


Should you run ancillaries with say Tren 75-100mg QOD

Thanks

 

[buckwheat1]

He had hairloss on Winny and stopped. Tren may do the same thing which is what he wants to avoid. I am not sure what Halos sides are as far as hair. It seems pretty androgenic, but don't know.

Deca will give you some weight gain due to water retention. EQ might be a good alternative. Less weight gain, reasonable prices, moderate anabolic.


But Deca or EQ or not going to come close to something like Tren or Halo for strength gains without weight gain.

 

[soreback]

Thanks Buckwheat ( regarding the MPB issue)

I once saw a powerlifting board ( natural fed.) that showed
banned lifters that failed drug tests.. 90+ % were for Nandralone or Test.. Of course these may have been big boys not worrying about there weight like I am. This is what led me to doing the Deca along with easy on the hairline; and I have seen rumors
that Deca makes joints feel good ( which I could really use right now!) I guess its the water in the joints that makes it feel good.
dont really mind a little water/bloat gain if it wears off post cycle.
I am extremely good on diet and pretty lean. could afford to gain
maybe 5 lbs ( LBM) but really want the strength


Eq sounds tempting but rumors regarding appetite stim. and joint pain turned me off.

Halo could be a short term option at low doses but due to
potential for side effects would not use that much except maybe pre competition for a little aggression and umph.. would probably stay away from that in off season .

oh well still in search of my perfect steroid

How does the PCT look? What about recovery with HCG

Thanks all .

 

[doublebicep]

Eq sounds tempting but rumors regarding appetite stim. and joint pain turned me off.

I have never heard of joint pain being associated with EQ.

I have only heard this about winstrol.

 

[soreback]

Double Bicep you are right my mistake it was Winny thats
hard on the joints..
I guess if I just said Fuck the hair I wouldnt have this prob
Guess I ll stop being a whiny Biatch
Already have mentioned cycle on hand so going to go ahead and
go for it. If I dont like results I can stop and go into PCT if
necessary. Speaking of which do I have that right--the PCT?
Thank repliers and board for there knowledge, I have learned
a lot.

 

[muscleup]

Why not just run tren. The stregth gains on tren shit on the ones you get from deca

I agree...Tren is amazing and it does not shut you down like Deca...God forbid that Deca shuts you down hard...It will take you months to rcover from it...Your penis will HATE you

 

[buckwheat1]

I agree...Tren is amazing and it does not shut you down like Deca...God forbid that Deca shuts you down hard...It will take you months to rcover from it...Your penis will HATE you

My first cycle was a combination of Deca for the first half and EQ the second half. I went with Deca because it is probably the least androgenic compound out there. Like you, I was worried about the hairline. Since I was actually trying to cut weight, I thought running EQ might complicate things because of the increased appetite. But I ran the EQ for 4 weeks at 400mg/week and did not experience this or any other sides.


I ran Deca at 300-400mg/week for 5 weeks. As far as I can tell, I am not experiencing a "shutdown".


I will run Deca again. Probably in the same manner. But next time I will up the EQ and add EQ with the Deca for the first 4-5 weeks.

EQ is considered more androgenic than Deca. But I really haven't seen anybody complain about issues like hairloss on EQ.