Help with blood test results

[missionpossible]

I just got back my results. The test results are from 8 weeks after the end of my PCT for my last 12 week test/deca/dbol cycle. I still have some high readings, any ideas on how long it will take these numbers to get back to normal?

RBC 6.16
Hemoglobin 18.1
Hematocrit 54.2
iron 213

I had blood done about a month earlier and all the numbers but the iron are getting better, the iron has went up some. Any thoughts or suggestions?

I had planned on a cycle soon with eq, but now I'm wondering if I should not use eq, given the prolonged high rbc?

 

[bk21]

your worrying bout the wrong levels, check your lipids ex: ldl hdl trig and also check amylase and lipase.

 

[hankes64]

your worrying bout the wrong levels, check your lipids ex: ldl hdl trig and also check amylase and lipase.

Let me translate:

LDL Cholesterol=Low Density Lipids (bad cholesterol)

HDL Cholesterol=High Density Lipids (good cholesterol)

Trig=Triglycerides (need them to be low)

Free Testosterone

Testosterone

Sex Hormone Globulin (SHGB)

 

[bilter]

Sex Hormone Globulin (SHGB)[/QUOTE]

hankes, dislexic you are. SHBG .......sex hormone binding globulin

 

[missionpossible]

My cholesterol levels are OK

HDL 46
LDL 90
TRI 105


Test is low, 273 and 7.6 free test. My libido is OK and I am 47, so I'm not too worried about the test levels.

I was wondering if the levels that are still out of range, RBC, Hemaglobin, Hematocrit and iron need to be back into normal range before starting the next cycle?

 

[hankes64]

My cholesterol levels are OK

HDL 46
LDL 90
TRI 105


Test is low, 273 and 7.6 free test. My libido is OK and I am 47, so I'm not too worried about the test levels.

I was wondering if the levels that are still out of range, RBC, Hemaglobin, Hematocrit and iron need to be back into normal range before starting the next cycle?

HDL is nice and high, your LDL could be in the 80's though but looks fairly well

 

[Triple J]

bro roids elevate your rbc's and it takes about four months or so to fall back to normal, which explains your high readings except for the iron. not sure what to tell you about the iron, maybe vitamin c can help leach it out of your body. you should be taking plenty of antioxidants with high iron levels it forms potent free radicals

 

[slat1]

I'm 33 and my test is 302 ng/dl on a 250 - 1100 range.
I hate life!

 

[missionpossible]

bro roids elevate your rbc's and it takes about four months or so to fall back to normal, which explains your high readings except for the iron. not sure what to tell you about the iron, maybe vitamin c can help leach it out of your body. you should be taking plenty of antioxidants with high iron levels it forms potent free radicals

I'll try the extra Vitamin C, that sounds like a good idea. I guess the excess iron is from all the protein I consume.

What do you think about EQ in the next cycle, Ok with high RBC?

 

[Triple J]

I'll try the extra Vitamin C, that sounds like a good idea. I guess the excess iron is from all the protein I consume.

What do you think about EQ in the next cycle, Ok with high RBC?

its really hard to predict an individual's response, it is possible it will raise them even higher than your previous cycle because EQ is known to be quite potent in this regard, however on the other hand, you may already have seen your "max" level of production given an AAS stimulus. best bet let the levels come down to normal and then resume. also i think it best to keep AAS blood levels even via frequent injections, not doing so contributes to the likelyhood of developing polycythmia (too many rbc's)

 

[bilter]

I'm 33 and my test is 302 ng/dl on a 250 - 1100 range.
I hate life!

Slat, did your Dr get you on TRT? Its justifyable at those levels if you are showing symptoms. My tested at 353 and my Dr put me on. I hated like hell to have to be on TRT but I do feel a lot better.

sorry 'bout hijacking the thread

 

[tommy39]

I'll try the extra Vitamin C, that sounds like a good idea. I guess the excess iron is from all the protein I consume.

What do you think about EQ in the next cycle, Ok with high RBC?

Listen, trust me. I get bloodwork every three months at Any Lab Tests.
In jan last year my iron serum level was 61. Normal is 40 to 150. 3 months later it was 190. 3 months later it was 262. Turns out i had started taking
2 or 3 meal replacments a day. Lean bodys ect. They have 50% of your daily
iron each. also the biggie was the cereals. I was eating big bowls of quaker
honey square cereal a day. It like total and alot of cereals have 90% of your
needed iron per CUP and i ate 3 or 4 cups a bowl. All in all thats several times the needed amounts. DO NOT UP vitamin C. Look up iron overload on the internet. Anyone with it should not take c anywhere near iron intake. Turns out VIT C INCREASES your intestines ability to absorb iron. Blood donation every 8 weeks will lower all your levels back down. It took 3 months
and 3 donations and my iron was at 175. Look at your labels on what your eating. Even bread has high iron. You can get an total iron binding capacity test. TIBC. It was 75 dollars for me. It will tell you if your iron overload or
have other problems by total saturation levels. I posted around about iron and got no results last year and had to find out myself. You can go to
IRON OVERLOAD on the searches on net and see. Just avoid Vit C for now.

 

[tommy39]

One more note. Women can lower iron easy by diet cause they lose blood every month at that time. It takes forever for a man to lower his without donation.

 

[Triple J]

ok that is good information but lets not hit the panic button here about iron and vitamin c. vitamin c did not cause your situation, excess iron consumption caused it.

iron overload as a medical condition, is usually genetic. yes vitamin c is generally contraindicated for people with the condition known as hematochromatosis. but keep in mind these people have to give blood on a regular basis to keep their iron levels down, regardless of their vitamin c intake - and their bodies still require vitamin c, regardless of its effect on iron absorption.

however men who do not have this genetic predisposition can still accumulate an undesirably high level of iron over time (by middle age) as appears to be the case here, and as illustrated by your example. as opposed to women who are protected via menstrual bleeding.

maybe my advice was not appropriate without the proper context. since you can drive your iron to high levels just through diet and not related to vitamin c intake, which appear to be what happened here, adding vitamin c to a high iron diet would not be advisable. vitamin c binds well to iron which could either help leach it from your body or increase its absorption ... if iron intake continues at high levels.

given he wants to lower his iron levels, his first priority diet-wise should be to analize and reduce his iron intake. if that is accomplished the vitamin c should assist normalizing his levels. i will tell you this, if plasma iron levels are high you will want to be on plenty of antioxidants. nutritional chelators, of which i believe garlic qualifies, would also be of merit. EDTA is also available in oral form.

if you go here:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202071.html
scroll to the bottom of the page you will see under certain circumstances vitamin c is
used to help address iron overload when used in combination with other substances. probably chelators.

if you go here:
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/faqdocs.html
scroll down the page, you will see some different doctors opinons vs. the orthodox medical viewpoint

giving blood is certainly the most effective method to reduce your iron levels. high iron levels are not healthy and more people should probably be tracking this in their blood screenings.

 

[missionpossible]

Tommy hit the nail on the head, I've been taking Cytogainer three to four times a day, thats about 140% of daily req. for iron. Then add in all the meat I eat too! So, I'm fairly certain where the problem has came from, I just want to keep the levels under control as I continue to try to add lbm. I scheduled an appointment to give blood next week, so this should help to get the iron level going in the right direction. I also plan on alternating between whey protein and the Cytogainer to reduce my iron intake.

Still about 2-4 weeks out from the next planned cycle, so I'm hoping everything is dialed in by then.