Help with blood test results

[missionpossible]

I just got back my blood results. I finished my Test E 500 12 weeks, Deca 300 10 weeks, dbol 30, weeks 1-4 and 9-12 at the end of December and did HCG and 6 weeks of Nolva, tribulis, DHEA and Maca.

Here are the results that are out of range:

Results / Normal Range
RBC 6.72 / 4.10-5.60
Hemoglobin 19.9 / 12.5-17.0
Hematocrit 57.8 / 36.0-50.0
Glucose, serum 102 / 65-99
Iron, serum 158 / 40-155
Phosphorus,serum 2.3 / 2.5-4.5

Testosterone 273 ( low on range) 241-827

Are RBC, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit and iron values elevated from the cycle still or are these values higher in a BBer that eats alot of protien?

Any corolation betwen AAS and low phosporus? I did read that low phosphorus can be a result of too much calcium, I do take 500mg twice a day for calcium supplementation, so I will cut that back to 500 once a day. How much additional calcium is good to take while on cycle?

I dident have my test levels tested before, so I dont know what my normal levels were ( I'm 47), although libido is still higher than before this.

I was planning my next cycle to be NPP 400, EQ 400 and TestC 500 at the end of the month possibly, any of this of concern for doing the next cycle?

 

[missionpossible]

Anyone?

 

[todoveritas]

Here are the results that are out of range:

Results / Normal Range
RBC 6.72 / 4.10-5.60
Hemoglobin 19.9 / 12.5-17.0
Hematocrit 57.8 / 36.0-50.0
Glucose, serum 102 / 65-99
Iron, serum 158 / 40-155
Phosphorus,serum 2.3 / 2.5-4.5

Testosterone 273 ( low on range) 241-827

Are RBC, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit and iron values elevated from the cycle still or are these values higher in a BBer that eats alot of protien?

Any corolation betwen AAS and low phosporus? How much additional calcium is good to take while on cycle?

I dident have my test levels tested before, so I dont know what my normal levels were ( I'm 47), although libido is still higher than before this.

I was planning my next cycle to be NPP 400, EQ 400 and TestC 500 at the end of the month possibly, any of this of concern for doing the next cycle?

The quick answer to your question is Yes, all abnormal values can be explained by AAS use.

All RBC indices, HCT and Hb are elevated as a result of the Deca/Test use; not abnormally so as to be concerned, should normalize after being "off" for 8 weeks or so.

Glucose and iron are fine and will be WNL in no time.

long term steroids are among the common agents bearing a relationship to severe hypophosphatemia.(Halevy J and Bulvik S, "Severe Hypophosphatemia in Hospitalized Patients," Arch Intern Med, 1988, 148(1):153-5) Although this is usually seen with corticosteroid use, it has also been seen with AAS use.

Your testosterone level should be in low-mid 300's at age 45.

Re: your final question on whether it will affect your next cycle;
The big question is whether your low testosterone is normal or is it due to AAS. I would ask what kind of PCT you were on. Theoretically speaking, from a medical perspective, PCT does not have the same urgency for a guy near his 50's as would, say a young man in his prime at age 25. As older men, our testes are slowing going down in terms of test production and if this is your "normal" level, it might be time to consider full-time replacement therapy. Yes, that would mean year-round replacement (not necessarily high-dose cycling). This is entirely a personal matter, however, and certainly not necessary given your current satisfaction with your libido.

 

[pursuit]

Quick comment. DHEA is a hormone. I wouldn't advise taking it during PCT (or ever) as it may prevent your HPTA/test levels from recovering.

 

[Triple J]

bro, if i am reading your info correctly, you wasted most of your pct cause you started it too soon. the Test e will take a good month after last shot to clear. during that time is when you want to be cruising on a short term oral. so if last shot is week 12, you will run the oral for weeks 12, 13, 14, 15. you can do hcg weeks 14, 15. then week 16 you fire up the clomid and shit.

ok one other thing. no bro doing a casual cycle should be fucking around with deca. too many long term shutdown and sexual sides with that drug. otherwise, if that does not matter to ya, its a great drug LOL.

your current T levels merit HRT consideration. you want them higher than that. but what would be most useful is what are your levels for Free T and estrogen. Total T is not that useful a marker without those other two values. However in your case that level is almost certainly too low. According to my information a healthy Total T level for a man in his mid forties is still in the 500s. However the real worry at this age and older is the reduction in free T, due to a larger conversion of T to estrogen. The higher estrogen levels increase SHBG significantly resulting in drops in Free T. Its a vicous cycle.

What you need IMO is another round of PCT, and probably consideration of taking an AI in low dose year-round. But those other lab values would help answer that question.

 

[missionpossible]

bro, if i am reading your info correctly, you wasted most of your pct cause you started it too soon. the Test e will take a good month after last shot to clear. during that time is when you want to be cruising on a short term oral. so if last shot is week 12, you will run the oral for weeks 12, 13, 14, 15. you can do hcg weeks 14, 15. then week 16 you fire up the clomid and shit.

ok one other thing. no bro doing a casual cycle should be fucking around with deca. too many long term shutdown and sexual sides with that drug. otherwise, if that does not matter to ya, its a great drug LOL.

your current T levels merit HRT consideration. you want them higher than that. but what would be most useful is what are your levels for Free T and estrogen. Total T is not that useful a marker without those other two values. However in your case that level is almost certainly too low. According to my information a healthy Total T level for a man in his mid forties is still in the 500s. However the real worry at this age and older is the reduction in free T, due to a larger conversion of T to estrogen. The higher estrogen levels increase SHBG significantly resulting in drops in Free T. Its a vicous cycle.

What you need IMO is another round of PCT, and probably consideration of taking an AI in low dose year-round. But those other lab values would help answer that question.

Humm, kinda a strange response bro. I guess I dident explain the exact timing on my PCT well. I dident start PCT until 3 weeks after the last shot and then followed up the HCG/ Nolva with the Maca, Tribulis and DHEA. I've only lost 3 pounds since the end of cycle, so I think it worked,no? On the Deca, I'm not sure where your comment on this comes from or why?. The Deca did wonders for my joints and I'm still holding onto about 15 lbs of new muscle.

 

[missionpossible]

The quick answer to your question is Yes, all abnormal values can be explained by AAS use.

All RBC indices, HCT and Hb are elevated as a result of the Deca/Test use; not abnormally so as to be concerned, should normalize after being "off" for 8 weeks or so.

Glucose and iron are fine and will be WNL in no time.

long term steroids are among the common agents bearing a relationship to severe hypophosphatemia.(Halevy J and Bulvik S, "Severe Hypophosphatemia in Hospitalized Patients," Arch Intern Med, 1988, 148(1):153-5) Although this is usually seen with corticosteroid use, it has also been seen with AAS use.

Your testosterone level should be in low-mid 300's at age 45.

Re: your final question on whether it will affect your next cycle;
The big question is whether your low testosterone is normal or is it due to AAS. I would ask what kind of PCT you were on. Theoretically speaking, from a medical perspective, PCT does not have the same urgency for a guy near his 50's as would, say a young man in his prime at age 25. As older men, our testes are slowing going down in terms of test production and if this is your "normal" level, it might be time to consider full-time replacement therapy. Yes, that would mean year-round replacement (not necessarily high-dose cycling). This is entirely a personal matter, however, and certainly not necessary given your current satisfaction with your libido.

Thanks for the info Bro, I appriciate it! I was checking out my supplements earlier today and it seems there is a considerable amount of overlap in the different products and I am probably taking way too much Calcium , Vit D, iron and a few others too. So I am modifiying my supp regimene to bring down some of these.

 

[missionpossible]

Quick comment. DHEA is a hormone. I wouldn't advise taking it during PCT (or ever) as it may prevent your HPTA/test levels from recovering.

I was of the understanding that DHEA is a precursor to testoterone, therefore it would only act to stimulate your own natural testosterone production.

 

[Triple J]

Humm, kinda a strange response bro. I guess I dident explain the exact timing on my PCT well. I dident start PCT until 3 weeks after the last shot and then followed up the HCG/ Nolva with the Maca, Tribulis and DHEA. I've only lost 3 pounds since the end of cycle, so I think it worked,no? On the Deca, I'm not sure where your comment on this comes from or why?. The Deca did wonders for my joints and I'm still holding onto about 15 lbs of new muscle.

ok my bad i thought you were wondering why your T levels were low but now I can see that was not your question. enjoy the deca, npp, etc!! check out some other threads on similar topics and you'll understand where I'm coming from.

 

[missionpossible]

Thanks triple J, I think I have had low levels even before AAS use, my libido is better than before cycle, so go figure! Anyhow, the free T reading is not that great either, 7.6 with normal ranging from 6.8-21.5.