**help with a rock hard mass cycle!!**

[BIGEDD]

I posted this in another thrad but didn't get any replies.
I'm planning this cycle for for late summer but i gotta start saving now it's going to cost me an arm and a leg. Here it is:

prop 1-8 weeks at 100mg ed
eq(tt)1-10weeks at 600mg (maybe 12 weeks if i can get the £)
winny 1-6weeks at 50mg ed
fina 7-13 weeks at 75mg ed
halo's 10-13(25 days) at 20 mg.

I will finish off with clen and clomid as usual. I will run liquidex at .5 mg ed. Is this enough? I know it make sense to run the fina and winny together but i think that would be way to harsh with the halo as well and the doses are quite low anyway.
My goal is not to shed fat but gain rock hard muscle without any water or fat. My diet will be high protein, moderate high carbs and totally clean 6 days a week. My current stats are 5'8 204 13%bf. Any suggestions?

 

[BIGEDD]

My previous cycles are:
1 deca & dbol
2 deca,dbol and test
3 test/fina/eq/dbol
This one will then be my fourth

 

[BIGEDD]

bump

 

[Golfer18--old]

Cycle looks good, the only thing I would do is throw out the halos and and get some anavar. I always use anavar to end my cycles, so far i have kept every pound i have ever gained.

 

[Mass Myth]

if i were you i would run a fasting acting test right up till the end when the fina and eq are clearing

 

[BIGEDD]

so do the prop for 12 weeks? I want to keep the halo's because they are cheap and i'm spending a lot on this cycle so i sort of on a buget.

 

[BIGEDD]

bump for info!

 

[ultragainz]

prop for 12 weeks is fine i would do this


wks-halo---winny----fina---eq----prop
1--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
2--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
3--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
4--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
5--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
6--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
7--------------50eod--75ed-400----150eod
8------------------------75ed-400----150eod
9------------------------75ed-400----150eod
10----------------------75ed-400----100eod
11----------------------75ed-300----100eod
12----20---------------75ed-300----100e3d
13----20---------------75eod-----------------
14----20----------------------------------------

 

[Audio8]

i would toss the halo and extend the prop out more.

 

[ultragainz]

i was thinking the same thing the hell with the halo but i think he wants to keep the halo in the cycle so thats why i kept the halo in

 

[BIGEDD]

Thanx ultra, i do definatly wanna try the halo's. Why the prop eod instead of ed it it more effective that way. The only other problem i have is finding away to be able to shoot 10cc a week!ouch!

 

[jstrong20]

I like ultra's cycle. By the way 10cc's e/w won't be that bad.

 

[BIGEDD]

Ultra i just want to know a few thing? Why taper the eq with such a long half-live and why the prop eod?

 

[ultragainz]

the life of prop its not one day it can be takin eod unlike test susp should be ed...just made it eod if you dont like to shoot ed...if you want to make it ed its fine...and if you taper down its not bad i just like to do it i dont go down a lot just a little...you dont have to..

 

[BIGEDD]

My last question is will .5 mg ed of liquidex be enough for the 13 weeks?

 

[serge]

my advice is to keep things simple, pick the drugs, pick a dose, and run then, thats it. dont bother with droping one drug out and throwing something else in, its stupid unless you are switching from bulking to cutting and want to drop water, with this in mind here is what i would do:

test 700mg/week (prop, 100mg/ed)
eq 600mg/week
fina 75mg/eod
winny 50mg/ed

run this stack for as long as you want or can afford, that is up to you.

dont bother with halos, its too harsh and does not produce much of a growth

 

[serge]

sorry forgot, try .75mg of arimidex/ed. standard dose seems to be .25mg/ed for every 250mg/test/week

 

[BIGEDD]

It seems no one wants me to do the halo's but i really do. I've heard they give you great strength and granite cuts that why all the pros use them pre-contest. I have never used them before if i like them i like them, if i don't i won't do them again!

 

[BIGEDD]

It seems no one wants me to do the halo's but i really do. I've heard they give you great strength and granite cuts that why all the pros use them pre-contest. I have never used them before if i like them i like them, if i don't i won't do them again!
This is what i will now do:

wks-halo---winny----fina---eq----prop
1--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
2--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
3--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
4--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
5--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
6--------------50ed-----------400----150eod
7--------------50eod--75ed-400----150eod
8------------------------75ed-400----150eod
9------------------------75ed-400----150eod
10----------------------75ed-400----100eod
11----------------------75ed-400----100eod
12----20---------------75ed-400----100e3d
13----20---------------75eod-----------------
14----20----------------------------------------

 

[ultragainz]

ALA is good for the liver and in cutting cycle i would hit it at 1000mgs/day keep your carbs low up your protein and fats...get some ginger root too at 500-1000mgs RIGHT before each meal help you take down more protein

 

[BIGEDD]

Yes i'm afraid it's me again, now my real final Qst is would it be better to frontload the EQ for 2 weeks at 400 and run for 10 weeks or 400 for 12 weeks? Ultra how much does ala cost in the uk do you know?
I will be taking in about 400g of protein, 350g of carbs and about 70g of fat from olive oil and omega tabs.

 

[ultragainz]

i would keep it at 12 weeks but thats just me do what ever is best for you..if you hit it for 12 weeks front load it still if you can

 

[serge]

It seems no one wants me to do the halo's but i really do. I've heard they give you great strength and granite cuts that why all the pros use them pre-contest. I have never used them before if i like them i like them, if i don't i won't do them again!

bro, pros dont use halos in their cutting stack for very long, they would run halos the last week before the contest, thats when all test is being dumped and halos are used just to keep the androgen levels up so the density is not lost, but tren will give you the density of halos without the liver beating effects

 

[Audio8]

It seems no one wants me to do the halo's but i really do. I've heard they give you great strength and granite cuts that why all the pros use them pre-contest. I have never used them before if i like them i like them, if i don't i won't do them again!

The only thing halos really do is make you very aggressive and pissed off all the time. Theory behind it is that you will train more intensly in the gym. As for the anabolic effects, there isn't much at all.

 

[BIGEDD]

"Theory behind it is that you will train more intensly in the gym"
That's the main reason why i want to try them people will proably know when i'm on them. I walk in the gym with headphones blaring rock music and shouting at myself lol!