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Help! Tren a omnadren dbol cycle

Crazy23

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Im new to this forum but been reading as a guest for quite a while well I'm going to start my 3rd cycle. Done a dbol only cycle I know yeah dumb also done sus and deca.
Well I'm thinking of doing a tren a omnadren and dbol

Tren A - 400mg wk 1-8
Omnadren 400-500mg wk 1-10
Dbol 30-40mg daily wk 1-4

What I wanted to know is this a good cycle for bulk I know diet is the key and my diet is clean 300 protein 350-400 carbs I try not to cheat. Train 6 days a week
Stats - 5.8 180lbs bf 11%

Also any advice for pct ?
 
Crazy23 said:
Im new to this forum but been reading as a guest for quite a while well I'm going to start my 3rd cycle. Done a dbol only cycle I know yeah dumb also done sus and deca.
Well I'm thinking of doing a tren a omnadren and dbol

Tren A - 400mg wk 1-8
Omnadren 400-500mg wk 1-10
Dbol 30-40mg daily wk 1-4

What I wanted to know is this a good cycle for bulk I know diet is the key and my diet is clean 300 protein 350-400 carbs I try not to cheat. Train 6 days a week
Stats - 5.8 180lbs bf 11%

Also any advice for pct ?
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Consider dropping tren, you're only 180lbs., you really don't need to overdo it. Steroids are just a crutch anyhow.

Redone cycle for you (note: make sure omnas are real, ton of fakes out there):
Omnadren 400-500mg wk 1-10
Dbol 30-40mg daily wk 1-4
Arimidex 0.25mgs EOD
d-spark 1cap/day
HCGenerate 3 caps AM/2 pre-workout
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM


Bridge between cycles (needed before start of PCT): 1 week after last shot
HCGenerate - 2 caps AM/1 post workout


PCT: 5 weeks
kick start (2 weeks): HCGenerate ES - 2 caps AM/1 post workout/1 PM
+ d-spark 1cap/ED
1-5--following:
Clomid 75/50/25/25/25
arimidex 0.25mgs EOD week 1-2, E3D week 3, none week 4
N2Guard - 2 caps AM/2 post workout/3 PM
 
Test, Tren, and D-Bol are great options for bulking. If I were you, I would keep the test dose at 1 cc per week, 200 mg or 250 mg, whatever the measurement it is. Then run the tren 100 mg eod for the entire 10 weeks. Then kick with 40 mg of dbol for the first four weeks. Make sure you have an AI on hand for estrogen, and caber or prami for prolactin. Also some sort of liver protection for the DBol. My proposed cycle would look like this.

1-10 Test 250 mg/week
1-10 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod
1-4 Dbol 40 mg/day

What do you have proposed for cycle support and PCT?
 
NegroPops said:
Test, Tren, and D-Bol are great options for bulking. If I were you, I would keep the test dose at 1 cc per week, 200 mg or 250 mg, whatever the measurement it is. Then run the tren 100 mg eod for the entire 10 weeks. Then kick with 40 mg of dbol for the first four weeks. Make sure you have an AI on hand for estrogen, and caber or prami for prolactin. Also some sort of liver protection for the DBol. My proposed cycle would look like this.

1-10 Test 250 mg/week
1-10 Tren Ace 100 mg/eod
1-4 Dbol 40 mg/day

What do you have proposed for cycle support and PCT?
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What are you doing recommending Tren to a newb with 2 cycles under his belt. It's bad advice like this that spread garbage 'broscience' on the forums.

Great options for bulking are: Diet and training. Steroids are a crutch people use to excuse bad dieting and training regiments (along with being lazy).

The most he should do is a basic test cycle or a test mix with an oral, and I wouldn't even be a fan of the oral in this case. (in most cases) A pure test cycle is good enough for 99% of abusers out there.
 
lol.. already used deca and this is his 3rd cycle and he has a good base. I would not consider him a noob by any means. There is nothing garbage about what I recommended. Most of "steroids" and "cycling" is broscience.

So what you are saying is he is an abuser of steroids and all he needs is a good diet. I am sure he appreciates those words :)
 
NegroPops said:
lol.. already used deca and this is his 3rd cycle and he has a good base. I would not consider him a noob by any means. There is nothing garbage about what I recommended. Most of "steroids" and "cycling" is broscience.

So what you are saying is he is an abuser of steroids and all he needs is a good diet. I am sure he appreciates those words :)
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If you think deca and tren have the same sides, you need to do a lot more research. If you look at his cycle history, his first cycle is a dbol only, and the rest is shaky at best.

Stop recommending tren to newbs, it's just bad advice. You're spreading too much misinformation, and setting them up for nasty sides.

Oh, and fyi, 99% of guys on steroids abuse them. Most guys don't need steroids, all they need is good diet and training, which they fail to do. Steroids are used as a crutch to mask laziness and inability to control diet and training in most cases.

I know it feels like I'm picking on you, but this is not something that's specifically related to just you - it's a problem I see all over the forums.
 
WolfpackAlpha said:
If you think deca and tren have the same sides, you need to do a lot more research. If you look at his cycle history, his first cycle is a dbol only, and the rest is shaky at best.

Stop recommending tren to newbs, it's just bad advice. You're spreading too much misinformation, and setting them up for nasty sides.

Oh, and fyi, 99% of guys on steroids abuse them. Most guys don't need steroids, all they need is good diet and training, which they fail to do. Steroids are used as a crutch to mask laziness and inability to control diet and training in most cases.

I know it feels like I'm picking on you, but this is not something that's specifically related to just you - it's a problem I see all over the forums.
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I agree with this 100%

I see people with way too little experience in juice AND training running bigger cycles that I normally run.

Tren is like a virus these days. Everyone wants to run tren. I've never even run tren because as far as I'm concerned it's 'dirty' and it's not something I'd recommend unless you're a very advanced user of juice.
 
NegroPops said:
lol.. already used deca and this is his 3rd cycle and he has a good base. I would not consider him a noob by any means. There is nothing garbage about what I recommended. Most of "steroids" and "cycling" is broscience.

So what you are saying is he is an abuser of steroids and all he needs is a good diet. I am sure he appreciates those words :)
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Most of steroids and cycling is broscience if you're on bodybuilding.com or some other shit forums...on here bro, people back their advice with research and years of training and juicing and blood work...

Broscience is like thinking just because someone is jacked it means they know everything about steroids and their advice should be taken as fact.
 
NegroPops said:
yep.. all anyone needs is $500 dollars worth of needtobuildmuscle products, and an "anabolic" diet.
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It has nothing to do with needtobuildmuscle products. Have I pushed those on you on see me even marketing them?

It has everything to do with that most 'users' don't know shit about juicing. AND you admitted your advice is broscience...that's just like saying I know you should do this because I heard it around the gym, so it must be right.
 
that comment was not intended for you.

tell me the proven science behind running a test cycle for 12 weeks, with a d-bol kick start. There is not any. There is science about what dbol does, there is science about what test does. People for decades have had success with doing this on their own, and has become a standard for the way to do them. Cycles are like experiments that we do on our own bodies. We have a good understanding of what will happen based on the science of the compounds that we run, but that does not make it actual science.

So yes, it is BROSCIENCE.
 
NegroPops said:
that comment was not intended for you.

tell me the proven science behind running a test cycle for 12 weeks, with a d-bol kick start. There is not any. There is science about what dbol does, there is science about what test does. People for decades have had success with doing this on their own, and has become a standard for the way to do them. Cycles are like experiments that we do on our own bodies. We have a good understanding of what will happen based on the science of the compounds that we run, but that does not make it actual science.

So yes, it is BROSCIENCE.
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Off course there is science behind it. There are half lives for these compounds which to an extent help determine when and how often to pin or pop pills...There is also a science that supports how long it takes exogenous test to be bioavailable and working in your body and how long it stays in your body, which to a certain extent determines how long to run the cycle...it's not just broscience dude!
 
yes, that is what i said. There is science about the compounds we run. But there isn't science about what stacks well with what, how long to run this, what should a first cylce be, when should someone start using tren.. is 500 mg better then 400 mg.. ect. That is all based on prior peoples experiments, and successes. And that is what I am calling broscience.

I think we will be in a situation where.. I say potato, you say potato (pronounce different)
 
I know this is going to be my 3rd cycle but iv done a lot of research and iv been training for a few years I appreciate the advice but in fixed on the tren just not sure if I want to use omna or test prop . I just need avice for pct as tren can Cause prolactin sides and also heard nolva and tren don't go well so far I'm thinking off running hcg whilst on cycle and I need something to keep e levels down so was thinking maybe adex .25 on cycle
So what would you suggest for a pct and something for the tren sides ?
And by no means am I a steroid abuser so some straight advice woul be appreciated
 
the first key to keeping prolactin down, is keeping estrogen down. You can do this by running an AI on cycle. Adex is a good option, .25 or .5 mg eod. If you keep the test dose moderate you may not need it at all but, would be a good idea to have it on hand. You can also run caber while on tren to help with prolactin, .25 - .5 mg twice per week. you are right, nolva does not mix well with tren.. and unless you have problems with gyno, there is no reason to use nolva at all. Clomid is a much better for a SERM for pct. HCG is a great to use before heading into PCT.. it will make it easier for your body to transition into recovery. You don't want to use it for to long though. I personally use it for 4 weeks. 250 iu twice per week, for 2 weeks.. and then bump the dose to 500 iu twice per week the 2 weeks before pct.

My PCT consists of Clomid (SERM), Forma Stanzol (AI), Unleashed/Post Cycle (Test Boosters from needtobuildmuscle) and D-AA (test booster)
 
I am prone to gyno as I did get a lump from my last course of sus deca but letrozole fixed that so I think I will need to run an ai throughout don't want that flairing back up
 
I forgot that you said you plan to dbol as well. With that, and your history with gyno, you will definitely want to run an AI. Adex is a good choice, but you may want to think about upgrading to aromasin.. it is stronger than adex. Also maybe some Forma Stanzol from mrsupps applied to your nips while on the dbol could be beneficial while running the dbol.
 
Crazy23 said:
I know this is going to be my 3rd cycle but iv done a lot of research and iv been training for a few years I appreciate the advice but in fixed on the tren just not sure if I want to use omna or test prop . I just need avice for pct as tren can Cause prolactin sides and also heard nolva and tren don't go well so far I'm thinking off running hcg whilst on cycle and I need something to keep e levels down so was thinking maybe adex .25 on cycle
So what would you suggest for a pct and something for the tren sides ?
And by no means am I a steroid abuser so some straight advice woul be appreciated
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Never use nolva when using decca or tren.

nolva upregulates progestrone receptors...you should use dostinex with tren.

As stated earlier, I do not recommend using tren this early in your cycling "career" but if you're going to use it anyways, might as well use my above advice and stay safe.
 
So aromasin whilst on course and I think il start the hcg the last 4 weeks and for pct clomid and nolva does that sound about right ?
 
Crazy23 said:
So aromasin whilst on course and I think il start the hcg the last 4 weeks and for pct clomid and nolva does that sound about right ?
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The post right above yours clearly says don't use nolva and tren and a reason is given..

Can lead a horse to water and all that

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I did read what was said but I assumed it was running nolva whilst on course I though it would be ok for pct but my bad so minus the nolva plus I was thinking of getting some caber just in case
 
It is just best to avoid nolva when using progesterones (tren, deca, npp). Tren doesn't increase prolactin quite as much as nandrolone based steroids, but the sides are still better to be prevented then cured. Elevated prolactin can cause a loss of libido, and even make it almost impossible for you to get a boner. If you are not into sex and such.. well I guess don't worry about it. Progesterones can also cause prolactin related gyno.. I personally think this is about the worst possible side effect out there. This means if you do not keep your prolactin levels in check, then you may just start lacting from your nipples. Personally I think this should be avoided at all costs. But, if you are into limp-dick sex sessions with occasional nipple leakage.. then don't worry about it at all. Remember, the first step in keeping prolactin in check is keeping your estrogen in check. You said that you have had a history with gyno so this is especially important with you. Dbol and test both easily convert to estrogen so it is imperative to run an AI. Adex is a good option (.5 mg eod), but I think upgrading to the stronger AI aromasin (12.5 mg eod), would be beneficial to you. I would even look into running a small dose of Forma Stanzol, applied directly to your nipples, while you are running the dbol. Also, there has been a lot of talk, and people having success with with running a low dose of test with tren. Lowering the dose of test will help with keeping estrogen down, and it has been noted that it also decreases the side effects that are associated with tren. Stevemi, a member of this board, has a thread about this and how he believes the 200 mg of tren is more then enough, especially for a first go at it. Other people have tried this philosophy too and have stated to have had great success. I personally have not tried this yet, so I can not attest to the legitamacy of it, but will be giving it a try here soon. The science is there for it.. i recommend searching this board and researching as much as you can.. then you can decided what you feel is best for you.

As for your PCT, i think you need to do a little bit more research. Clomid is a good start. There are many threads about modern ideas of pct, that help you recovery efficiently without the sides on this board. I think it is better if you find out why you should do something, rather than do it just based on what someone told you. Do some research, put together a proposed PCT, and then Me, and other will help critique it.
 
Crazy23 said:
I did read what was said but I assumed it was running nolva whilst on course I though it would be ok for pct but my bad so minus the nolva plus I was thinking of getting some caber just in case
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It takes weeks fr the tren to fully clear your system so there is some still present when you start pct

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Ok do I done some research and came up with this my cycle will consist of
Tren Ace wk 1-8 100mg EOD
Test prop wk 1-10 100mg EOD
Dbol wk 1-4 30-40mg ED
Aromasin wk 1-10 12.5 EOD

HCG wk 6-10 1000iu weekly

Pct to start 7 days after last shot of test prop n Hcg
Clomid wk 11-15 50mg ed
Aromasin wk 11-13 25mg EOD wk 14-15 12.5 EOD
And I'll have caber on hand just incase the tren sides become a problem

Hat do you reckon of that and how can it be improved
Thanks for the advice I Really appreciate it
 
Crazy23 said:
Im new to this forum but been reading as a guest for quite a while well I'm going to start my 3rd cycle. Done a dbol only cycle I know yeah dumb also done sus and deca.
Well I'm thinking of doing a tren a omnadren and dbol

Tren A - 400mg wk 1-8
Omnadren 400-500mg wk 1-10
Dbol 30-40mg daily wk 1-4

What I wanted to know is this a good cycle for bulk I know diet is the key and my diet is clean 300 protein 350-400 carbs I try not to cheat. Train 6 days a week
Stats - 5.8 180lbs bf 11%

Also any advice for pct ?
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What your training and past cycle experience?
 
400mg of tren a week is quite a bit for a 1st time tren user.. try 50mg eod.. will work out at 200mg a week.. should be more than enough

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not too bad, you have a SERM (Clomid) and an AI (Aromasin) which are 2 of the best things to have in a PCT. Your proposed clomid dose I feel is a little high, 25 mg per day is more then ample. You will get the same benefits as you would with a higher dose, but with lower sides; and the emotional and physical sides associated with clomid can be quite unpleasant. Aromasin is a good choice for an AI for PCT, it will really help with any sort of estrogen rebound that may want to occur. But, there is a much better option for an AI for PCT. Forma Stanzol, which can be purchased at mrsupps.com, is a transdermal version of the AI formestane. It is a very beneficial product that greatly benefits a persons recovery process during PCT. Not only will it help keep estrogen at bay, but it can help raise test and ifg-1 levels. You cannot go wrong with it and I and others highly recommend it.
After those 2 things, it is a good idea to add in some natural products that can help elevate your testosterone levels without suppressing you. Doing this will help with the side effects of the clomid, it will help keep your libido up, and will also aid in helping you keep the gains you made on cycle. You can go to GNC and pick up their latest and greatest test boosters, but I would recommend checking out needtobuildmsucle.com and mrsupps.com, they have top of the line products that are designed especially for PCT and helping your body restore its natural test levels. I personally have been using the Unleashed and Post Cycle combo, 2 servings of each per day, from needtobuildmuscle.com. They are top of the line and highly recommended by me and others. D-Aspartic Acid, at least 3 grams per day is also a great choice and addition for boosting test levels. You can get this at most nutrition stores, as well as the websites I have listed. That is what I would personally recommend for PCT, I have had success with this and so have others.

1-4 Clomid 25 mg/day
1-4 Forma Stanzol 5 pumps, twice per day
1-4 Post Cycle/Unleashed Combo
1-4 D-AA 3 g per day
 
the_alcatraz said:
:confused: Exactly what I was thinking.
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Lol.... Traz you where right on your comment sometimes people get a notion to run something and your not going to change there mind. I know it's not the right thing to promote something there not ready for so the next best thing is to keep them safe.....

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I just spoke to my source who also is a childhood friend of mine at the gym and he was saying that a great cycle for mass would be
Sus deca dbol tren test prop
He said the sus snd deca dbol would add the mass plus water and the tren n test would harden up the mass n cut up

Is that true or is he just chatting shit
 
Crazy23 said:
I just spoke to my source who also is a childhood friend of mine at the gym and he was saying that a great cycle for mass would be
Sus deca dbol tren test prop
He said the sus snd deca dbol would add the mass plus water and the tren n test would harden up the mass n cut up

Is that true or is he just chatting shit
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That's is a load of shit.. dbol, sust and deca will add a shit ton of water.. you can't just magically convert water to muscle by adding tren.. my very 1st cycle (massive mistake) was sust dbol and deca.. added about 35 lbs.. about 23lbs of that was pure water and I pissed it all away.. the amount of aromatisation from sust and dbol is just insane..

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So do you think tren test prop dbol would e a good cycle for bulk I know it's about diet but with a good diet could it be a good bulk I want to gain about 10lbs lean mass
 
Don't get to far ahead of yourself.. yes that cycle would be great for mass, but it is also quite advanced. You have not used tren yet, and you definitely don't want to stack with another nandralone for your first time use. As long as your diet is in place, Test, Tren, and Dbol is spot on for mass.. it doesn't get much better than that.
 
NegroPops said:
Don't get to far ahead of yourself.. yes that cycle would be great for mass, but it is also quite advanced. You have not used tren yet, and you definitely don't want to stack with another nandralone for your first time use. As long as your diet is in place, Test, Tren, and Dbol is spot on for mass.. it doesn't get much better than that.
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Test e, dbol and tren a on the back end would be a sweet stack..

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super-duty1 said:
Lol.... Traz you where right on your comment sometimes people get a notion to run something and your not going to change there mind. I know it's not the right thing to promote something there not ready for so the next best thing is to keep them safe.....

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yup :D
 
Omna is a little different then sust.. it has different esters, and the long ester it used is slightly shorter than sustanons. But regardless of ester, test is test.

I think people usually use similar esters so they can match up their pinning schedule
 
I would rather run a longer acting ester with tren a as it will make less frequent injections I will have to pin the tren eod and if I go with test e I would pin twice a week right
 
Ok I understand that but I'm in trouble this was my planned course but not just yet I'm still trying to fight my gyno from my previous cycle
I was taking
Sus 500mg wkly for 12 wke
Deca 400mg wkly for 12 wks
And during my pct of nolva and clomid my nipples started hurting and a lump started developing in my right nipple due to I think the nolva was fake so I got some letro but it took a while 2 months
So now iv got a lump behind my right nipple size of erm a marble
I been on letro for 12 days now at 2.5mg ed and it hasn't done shit I think my letro is real because iv been gettin some bad headaches and loss of sex drive I'm thinking of throwing in some tamoxifen from a different source
Any advice would be highly appreciated as this is really putting me down I don't even feel like going to the gym at times it's really effecting me emotionally so any help would be great
 
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