boom, thanks man this is info on what i wanted to know. i was just going to do this one simple, test and dbol. i can get more, the money aspect of it and avivlibily are not an issue, i got armidex, nova, hcg clomid all that by my side, wouldnt start with out it. thanks for reconizing that i do have decent training knowledge on here. i run into many guys that think you can just stab yourself for a few months and thats all there is to body building, i am not one of these jack offs but am often treated like that on here.....why i dont know, maybe i sound more uniformed than i am.