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bigcat23

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GYNO PROBLEM.....ALSO JUST STARTED ACCUTANE!? =/

Hey just for a little history, I'm currently 20, 5'10 189lbs....i've been working out for about 3 years now seriously....on the "High Intensity Training" ("HIT" or Total Body to Failure Program 3x/wk) and have yielded pretty good results from it...the only supplements i have ever taken were protein and creatine off and on up until last summer....when i took a product called "original hd" (test booster supposedly similar to halodrol) got solid results from it...(took it for 2 months,30 caps per bottle takign 1/day) and then ran 3 bottles of novedex(60 caps per bottle) taking 4 before bedtime (directions said 2-4)...september rolled around and i was out of the gym for two weeks due to getting my wisdom teeth out...at this point i was off everything for about 2 months or so now...so i decided i would run another 2 months of original hd....however...i didn't take novedex after...

I came home for XMAS break in dec. from school and noticed my nipples hurt...i actually felt small marble lumps in both of them and when i squeezed them...brownish gold discharge came out....they also looked like they were seeming to retain fat

i went to my fam. doctor, an endocrineologist, and a surgeon....tests came back normal at the time....and the surgeon said to wait it out....b/c it happens in some males...but usually goes away...and he told me to give it 6 months...

me being impatient of course, decided when i got back to college i would research the topic and look for a quick fix....

found this gyno pill thats supposed to work and kinda did i guess...along with the fact i started watching what i was eating more....(product was called gynexin) and i used it for about a month...

about february now (2 1/2 months after the gyno was diagnosed) i also was looking for that "edge" again so i picked up a bottle of ah-89 and stacked it with mass x-treme (i think "acl" makes it---its over the counter stuff) took that for a month...didn't really see much results...then ran another 3 bottles of novadex after for PCT...at again 4 pills a night before bed....at this point the gyno was nearly gone or hardly there at all....(i was also eating 6 quality meals a day and taking nitro tech hardcore, not to mention was at the gym 6 days a week,---M,W,F (total body) T, TH, Sat (cardio and abs) sunday (rest)...

during the time frames from march til the beginning of may i felt the strongest i have ever been, weighed 199 and my body fat was around 12-14%, to me, i was near the best shape of my life....


i stopped the novedex (the one by gaspari) in the last week of april....went home for summer break from college....and noticed the gyno start to come back(my diet did change a bit, for the worse, as i came home and was tempted with a lot more unhealthy options)....and this time the gyno was worse than before....

i saw a surgeon...and was supposed to have surgery very soon (july 3rd)...now the insurrance says they won't cover it, but i guess the doctor has to write them a statement or something stating a medical reason....due to the fact that they are bothering me and that they are painful...i have blue cross insurrance(first priority)...idk what to do if they don't end up covering it =(...


on the back end...i also started accutane in Late May....(the gyno had already came back before the accutane was started) and have to watch my liver values....so i don't want to take anything that would be bad on my liver...(even NO explode made my vals go up cuz i tried it)

my whole game plan was to get the surgery while i was on the accutane and then do my first cycle as a winny or primo (no gyno or acne) to jump start myself again after the surgery and after the accutane ended in jan of 09...cuz i rather not mess with over the counter garbage cuz i think the novedex brought back the gyno =(


IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO NOW or SHOULD DO WHILE ON THE ACCUTANE IF I DON"T END UP GETTING THE SURGERY AND IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET RID OF THE GYNO AND EXCESS FAT WITHOUT THE SURGERY?


thanks and message me if ya have any questions...



ps. I also lost 10 lbs since i came back home from school of muscle, feel weaker, and my body fat has obviously increased....could this be from the accutane or mostly from my diet??
 
Chocolate_Thunder said:
WOW! This is what happens when you do things without researching them. You're 20 years old you have no need for gear.

My honest suggestion is to see your Dr. and come clean about what you did. Having insurance pay for the surgery should be your last worry right now as you might have to "keep" those breasts. Get to the Dr.


yes....but i never took anything illegal...like ever used real gear...it was all over the counter stuff...and i told him i took an over the counter test booster...and he didn't think that was strong enough to cause the prob.
 
dude, no offense but this entire incident you described looks like a train wreck......FYI, M1T was legal too at one time and would give you gyno in a heart beat!
 
Ok, this is my opinion on this stuff
The prohormones in general are very hard on the body. You get some results, true but estrogen was a big problem. I will venture to say that the over the counter estrogen control (Novedex from Gaspari) does work somehow but not enough to control gyno. I've never study the compound so I cant say why or why not. Then you have the estrogen rebound. THat's when you test level is so low that estrogen is the majority hormone in your body and test the minority...That's why ppl get gyno after the cycle.
If you do cycles like this it is a 50/50 chance that you may develop gyno. This is not 100% proof that if it;s legal will not cause problems. I tried M1T once years ago and that was the only steroid that I have ever had the onset of gyno from........So that right there should tell you something.
I really do not think that there is a safe test booster out there because they all change your body's ability to produce test, however minute in some cases but they do.

If you mess around with this stuff at least have real nolvadex and arimidex or aromasin on hand, bro
 
bigcat23 said:
should i try that gynexin stuff and or i also heard primo could get rid of it ? is that true?

I'm not familiar with Gynexin what is it?
primo is a mild steroid.
 
bigcat23 said:
http://www.gynecomastiatreatment.com/order-gynexin.php?idev=16900



thats that gynexin stuff ...check it out...


and i read somethign about primo acting as an ancillary drug???

I did but it does not list the ingredients besides a thermo blend or something....as for Primo acting as anciliary I don't think so. WHat it does is not convert to estrogen unlike test. If you have gyno issues primo is a good steriod to do and not have to worry about estrogen conversion!
 
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