Help Out w/ Second Cycle

[grakt]

Vitals : 5'10" - 185lbs - 8% - Age 27

Previous Cycles : I took 6 wks of Sust @ 250 mg/wk 6yrs ago.

Goals :
(1) Gain 15 - 20 lbs mass over an 8 wk period while keeping water retention as low as possible.
(2) No loss of libido

Proposed Cycle :
Weeks 1-2 : D-Bol @ 25mg ed - Used for Kick Starting Cycle
Weeks 1-7 : Sust @ 250mg every 5 days
Weeks 7-8 : Primo @ 200mg every 5 days
Weeks 1-8 : Arimdex @ 1/2 tab ed
Weeks 9-10 : Clomid Therapy

Questions:
(1) Could this cycle do anything but help my sex drive? Very important as I fought constantly with my g/f when I ran 7 wks of 1AD.
(2) Would the addition of HCG provide any material benefits?
(3) Any other thoughts?

Thanks in Advance for any Help.

 

[The Terminator]

I would use the dbol for the first 3 weeks (and I don't like even like dbol) and probably up the sustanon to 500 mg/week, and I would pass on the primo, and use the arimidex thru clomid therapy. These changes aren't totally necessary but will make it easier to achieve your goal weight. And this cycle should do great things for your sex life too

 

[reivog]

I would use the Dbol@35 - 40mg ED and run it for at least 4 weeks (6 weeks preferable)

Run the [email protected] ED well on Dbol and Sust then cut it to .5mg EOD when on sust alone.

also scrap the Primo

 

[grakt]

thanx for the advice.

As I've only done one cycle @ 250mg/wk, i'm looking to error on the side of caution for cycle #2.

Taking 500mg/wk of Sust would be doubling the amount of test in addition to throwing the D-Bol (which I've never tried) into the mix. It seems like a large jump in gear between cycles.

I was looking to run the primo at the cycle end to help my body begin restoring natural test levels. Is this thinking flawed?

Also, would I be better off simply front loading the Sust vs. jump starting w/ D-Bol?

 

[Canuck4]

Listen to the rest. Up the Sus to 500mg per week. Run the dbol for at least 4 weeks @ 35 - 40mg ED . 2 weeks is nothing.
You wont need the primo or HCG. Just run the Arimidex .5 till clomid therapy.

 

[badazzwhitedude]

Looks like you are doing something right as your stats are respectable bro'. Especially your BF%.

It sounds to me like you want to put on some size, yet stay as lean and vascular as possible. That can be hard to do. You do realize that for best growth, you need to let your BF% come up just a bit, but not too much. Around 11-12% can promote some better growth, and then you can lean out a bit after you are finished with the cycle and Clomid therapy and then you can better see all the new muscle you have packed on.

I would do something along the lines of this:

Test 500mg weeks 1-10
EQ 400mg weeks 1-10
D-bol 30mg/day weeks 1-4

Start Clomid therapy week 13

EQ is a very safe and mild compound, yet promotes slow, but steady gains in strength, and it promotes vascularity. I think it would be a great addition to the proposed cycles above. But even just Test/D-bol would be great too.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

Looks like you are doing something right as your stats are respectable bro'. Especially your BF%.

It sounds to me like you want to put on some size, yet stay as lean and vascular as possible. That can be hard to do. You do realize that for best growth, you need to let your BF% come up just a bit, but not too much. Around 11-12% can promote some better growth, and then you can lean out a bit after you are finished with the cycle and Clomid therapy and then you can better see all the new muscle you have packed on.

I would do something along the lines of this:

Test 500mg weeks 1-10
EQ 400mg weeks 1-10
D-bol 30mg/day weeks 1-4

Start Clomid therapy week 13

EQ is a very safe and mild compound, yet promotes slow, but steady gains in strength, and it promotes vascularity. I think it would be a great addition to the proposed cycles above. But even just Test/D-bol would be great too.

AGREED!

 

[FatChops]

Yup I up the sus to 500mg/wk and about the d-bol, I have been told that 5 weeks is perfect. Good luck bro!!

 

[serge]

Vitals : 5'10" - 185lbs - 8% - Age 27

Previous Cycles : I took 6 wks of Sust @ 250 mg/wk 6yrs ago.

Goals :
(1) Gain 15 - 20 lbs mass over an 8 wk period while keeping water retention as low as possible.
(2) No loss of libido

Proposed Cycle :
Weeks 1-2 : D-Bol @ 25mg ed - Used for Kick Starting Cycle
Weeks 1-7 : Sust @ 250mg every 5 days
Weeks 7-8 : Primo @ 200mg every 5 days
Weeks 1-8 : Arimdex @ 1/2 tab ed
Weeks 9-10 : Clomid Therapy

Questions:
(1) Could this cycle do anything but help my sex drive? Very important as I fought constantly with my g/f when I ran 7 wks of 1AD.
(2) Would the addition of HCG provide any material benefits?
(3) Any other thoughts?

Thanks in Advance for any Help.

for a second cycle you would do very good running 500mg/test with 300mg/deca

if you insist on doing dbol, then run in all the way till the end, dont need primo, waste of money

 

[nekrawulf]

Re: Re: Help Out w/ Second Cycle

for a second cycle you would do very good running 500mg/test with 300mg/deca

if you insist on doing dbol, then run in all the way till the end, dont need primo, waste of money

Isnt 8 weeks of d-bol toxic?

 

[serge]

Re: Re: Re: Help Out w/ Second Cycle

Isnt 8 weeks of d-bol toxic?

at 25mg/ed is not bad at all, just make sure to take your multi vitms, and anti oxidents, ALA 2000mg/ed and you will be ok

plenty of water would go a long way also

 

[grakt]

-Thanks to all for the responses-

I'll be playing Karma catch up tomorrow when my counter resets.

I've decided to add EQ to the cycle in equal amounts to the Sust., but I've dropped the D-Bol entirely. I'm not comfortable yet stacking 3 types of gear and would prefer to leave myself some room for the next run.

Proposed Cycle
Weeks 1-2 : Sust @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-2 : EQ @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 6-8 : Sust @ 250mg every 5days
Weeks 6-8 : EQ @ 250mg every 5days
Weeks 1-12 : Arimdex @ 1/2 tab ed
Weeks 10-12 : Clomid Therapy

Any comments, including 'you're a pussy for dropping D-Bol' are much appreciated.

 

[PatBateman]

-Thanks to all for the responses-

I'll be playing Karma catch up tomorrow when my counter resets.

I've decided to add EQ to the cycle in equal amounts to the Sust., but I've dropped the D-Bol entirely. I'm not comfortable yet stacking 3 types of gear and would prefer to leave myself some room for the next run.

Proposed Cycle
Weeks 1-2 : Sust @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 1-2 : EQ @ 500mg/wk
Weeks 6-8 : Sust @ 250mg every 5days
Weeks 6-8 : EQ @ 250mg every 5days
Weeks 1-12 : Arimdex @ 1/2 tab ed
Weeks 10-12 : Clomid Therapy

Any comments, including 'you're a pussy for dropping D-Bol' are much appreciated.

if you drop the dbol, you must be patient and wait for the gains as they will not come prolly till week 4. Personally I would do it. I would keep the dosages level @500mg for 8 weeks. Start Clomid week 11, three weeks after last eq shot.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

UP THE EQ TO ATLEAST 400mg/week

 

[grakt]

Follow up on the Arimidex. My lifting partner said .5 arimidex ed is overkill for the amount of gear i'm doing. He said .25 ed would be plenty.

Cost isn't as big of concern as safety, but I don't won't to be wasting the shit either.

Any thoughts?

 

[BigAndy69]

Here's what I would do:

Proposed Cycle :
Weeks 1-4 : D-Bol @ 25mg ed - Used for Kick Starting Cycle
Weeks 1-6 : Sust @ 250mg every 5 days
Weeks 7-10: Prop @ 100mg EOD
Weeks 11-12: Primo @ 200mg a week
Weeks 1-13 : Arimdex @ 1/2 tab ed
Weeks 12-15 Clomid Therapy