Help needed with Gyno after Superdrol Cycle.

[28mafia]

OK, I did the following cycle and in week 3 of PCT the nips started itching. Need help.

5 week superdrol - 10/15/20/20/20/

PCT
Week 1 - clomid 150/day, DHEA 200mg/day
Week 2 - clomid 75/day, DHEA 100mg/day
Week 3 - Nolva 40mg/day, DHEA 100mg/day, Fenugreek 3 caps/day, Diesel Test 2 caps day(natural T booster), Rebound XT 1 cap per day (ATD).

On day 3 of week 3 my nipples started itching and I quit the fenugreek and diesel test and upped the Nolva to 60mg and uppped the ATD to 2 caps/day in hopes of stopping it, but it has gotten worse and they are extremely painful now at the beginning of week 4 of PCT.

I just today found a post about never using Nolva after superdrol or Deca since they both are Progesteron based and adding nolva will induce progesterone based gyno.

Can anyone tell me what I need to do to make this gyno subside, before it's irreversible? I have clomid available and I'm trying to order some cabergoline on the net right now and I did not take today's dose of Nolva. What should I do?

 

[KD1]

You probably got gyno from all that DHEA.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

1. drop nolva- depending on how long you have taken it, it will take at least a couple weeks to get out of your system
2. drop diesel test- tribulus does nothing to restore testosterone and is a phytoestrogen and the other ingredients have mechanisms are either not particularly effective or mechanisms that have not been fully explored
3. drop the dhea
4. drop oral ATD- oral atd has very inconsistent uptake as well as a very short half life causing either no effect or short high level suppression of aromatase
5. stay on the clomid
6. add a dopaminergic- this may or may not help- varies- it wont hurt (selegiline, tyramine, bromocriptine, cabergoline)
7. add letrozole, aromasin or AIFM

 

[28mafia]

Thanks for the quick help. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[28mafia]

I forgot. I also have the serm torimefene on hand, but I don't know if it is different enough from Nolva to block E receptors without upregulating P-receptors. Is the Tor worth using to help?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

there is no data, however indications are that it does not.

 

[28mafia]

Thanks. I couldn't get the cabergoline so I have selegiline and letro on the way.

I want the selegiline to reduce the progestin side effects since I think that upregulation of the PgR is what is the major culprit here. It's been almost impossible to get an erection and I have no sex drive which can be a sid effect of high progestin levels. I am also not holding any water whatsover (actually hard and dehydrated) so this is mainly Progestin related and only secondary estrogen related. Is Selegiline just as effective against progestin as Cabergoline is?

 

[28mafia]

The inflammation finally started to ease yesterday, about a week after it began. Last Wednesday when the inflammation appeared, I did the following:

1. Ended 2X day Diesel Test tablets.
2. Ended 100mg/day DHEA
3. Ended 40mg/day Nolva

4. Began 60mg/day Toremefine (compete with estrogen receptors)
5. Upped ATD dose to 3X/day (reduce estrogen)
6. Began Vitamin B6 600mg/day (block progestin)
7. Continued clomid 75mg/day (boost T)

I am now the middle of week 4 of PCT. Any ideas how I should taper from here to not get a rebound effect? I still haven't got in the Letro and Selegiline but they will be available in a couple of days.