Help needed!! First cycle

[ozzy123]

Looking for some solid gains before november and was thinking roids are the way to go.

Been told that running a course of Test would be my best option but what type and how much i don't know.

So any help would me very much appreciated.

Thanks
Sion

 

[SouthernLord]

How about you tell us a little more about yourself? Age, weight, training and diet experience....?

 

[ozzy123]

My stats are as follows: Height: 5' 11' Weight 76.5 Kg 13-15% BF . Train 3 split days a week (Back/Bi's, Chest/Tri's and Legs/shoulders) and eat everything in sight that isn't made of wood lol.

I'v been lifting seriously for around 2 years and in that time have run a 6 week course of D'bol and a 4 week course of Winstrol. My diet isn't the best as although i can put weight on easily enough it's always fat and never muscle!!!

So it's time for another couple of cycles before next year

 

[downunder hunter]

Mate i think you should give your training and dieting a bit more effort and then think about gear, training three times a week for two years is nothing and oral only cycles are just foolish, do some research, focus on lifting properly, diet properly and then consider gear. good luck

 

[DORIANHH]

I say if your going to use juice, go for 250mg's of test enanthated a week for 10 weeks and id start it off with D-bol 40 mg's for the first 4 weeks and liv 52. id also change my training to back and tri's chest and bi's because when you do back you slightly hit your bi's and when you press you hit your tri's.

 

[ozzy123]

Thanks for that dorianhh

 

[sweed]

age????
i'd wait another 3 years since you've only been lifting for 2.

 

[niightz]

Sorry this isnt toward the poster.....

It's very possible to gain str/weight on 3 days splits, it's also a very healthy way to gain mass and avoid overtraining. That being said, each person responds a bit diferently.

 

[eClenbuterol]

I say if your going to use juice, go for 250mg's of test enanthated a week for 10 weeks and id start it off with D-bol 40 mg's for the first 4 weeks and liv 52. id also change my training to back and tri's chest and bi's because when you do back you slightly hit your bi's and when you press you hit your tri's.

Good starter cycle, just add arimidex to it.

 

[downunder hunter]

Three days a week in the gym training for hypertrophy is beginner stuff mate c'mon if your doing splits you can train 6 days a week and hit all muscle groups twice. Better yet blitz and train all muscle groups in five days and focus on your weakest muscle group on the sixth day. If you cant train six days a week without overtraining, your body simply isnt ready for steroids. Just my opinion

 

[ozzy123]

Alrite first of all let me just say thanks for all the feedback so far it's much apresiated. And secondly nice one down under hunter i never even thought of training the same split day twice in a week as i always feel fu**ed after just doin it once.

To anser the question of age i'm 19 so yea i am slightly concernd with messin up my nateral test production. So mite just try sorting out a good diet and leaving the Gear till the new year so look good for summer.

But if not what do you all think of just running a course of nap 50s to boost my gains whilst sorting out a diet???

 

[downunder hunter]

Alrite first of all let me just say thanks for all the feedback so far it's much apresiated. And secondly nice one down under hunter i never even thought of training the same split day twice in a week as i always feel fu**ed after just doin it once.

To anser the question of age i'm 19 so yea i am slightly concernd with messin up my nateral test production. So mite just try sorting out a good diet and leaving the Gear till the new year so look good for summer.

But if not what do you all think of just running a course of nap 50s to boost my gains whilst sorting out a diet???

Mate if you carb load and have a decent protein intake min 1.4 grams per kilo of bodyweight a day you should be able to train the same musclse group only 72 hours later, in aus mate thats the asca's protocol. Find your BMR and daily energy expenditure and put 500 cals on top of that to increase size. As for the napalon ive never had any experience with it but i researched it a bit and found that you get good strength gains but hold alot of water and its hard to keep any gains after maybe a kilo, also very liver toxic so imo your best option is to get your diet spot on and research how to train, maybe even find the biggest roided out P.T in your gym and ask hime to write you a program, amp up your training and when you feel like you have hit your natural peak jump on a mild test/db cycle for 10 weeks, make sure all other aspects are in check first though. good luck

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Dont do the naps mate your just gonna waste them and set your natty gain further behind coz you will just be shuting down your high natty test levels .

Hit up the diet forum

Diet & Bodybuilding - EliteFitness.com Bodybuilding Forums

Brad.

 

[ozzy123]

Alrite all ur advice has been takenen into consideration.
So as things stand going to carb load and get put a shed load of protien into the diet and hit the gym like an absolute biatch.

Then once all is sorted run a course of either straight test prop in the new year or mix it with some D'bol and see where it goes from there.

Also posted a slight diet plan on the diet forum under 'HELP NEEDED!! FIRST REAL BULKING CYCLE' if any of u natty's want to pop over and give me a hand working it out.

sion

 

[C.K.]

Three days a week in the gym training for hypertrophy is beginner stuff mate c'mon if your doing splits you can train 6 days a week and hit all muscle groups twice. Better yet blitz and train all muscle groups in five days and focus on your weakest muscle group on the sixth day. If you cant train six days a week without overtraining, your body simply isnt ready for steroids. Just my opinion

I totally agree i do a 4 day split:

day 1: chest back & abs
day 2: arms & shoulders
day 3: legs
day 4: cardio

& repeat... anything more is over training and anything less is not enough for me!

 

[ozzy123]

I totally agree i do a 4 day split:

day 1: chest back & abs
day 2: arms & shoulders
day 3: legs
day 4: cardio

& repeat... anything more is over training and anything less is not enough for me!

Ok then i like the sounds of that 3 days lifting rest day with cardio then back on for 3.
This mite sound like a completely stupid question to some of you but, here goes in any case. How would you go about training chest and back without hitting your shoulders at the same time, because wouldn't hitting your shoulders the day before your meant to train them cause muscular soreness (doms) the the day your meant to train shoulders???

 

[websy21]

Ok then i like the sounds of that 3 days lifting rest day with cardio then back on for 3.
This mite sound like a completely stupid question to some of you but, here goes in any case. How would you go about training chest and back without hitting your shoulders at the same time, because wouldn't hitting your shoulders the day before your meant to train them cause muscular soreness (doms) the the day your meant to train shoulders???

The shoulders being the secondary muscle stabalizers via Chest day won't be enough to overly exert them or overtrain rather by isolating and hitting them up 24 hours later.

However, if that was my 4 day split I'd modify as follows

Chest/Back
Legs
Arms/Shoulders
Off/Cardio
Repeat

This way the legs have time to recover for the cardio 48 hours later. If this is continued without back off days or a rest day than I could see overtraining setting in. The body needs time to recover. You could do morning sessions on days 1 and 3 consiting of cardio. Than dedicate the 4th day soley to a REST/OFF day instead. Or do a warm up session 20-30 minutes before each workout consiting of low intensity cardio. HEck I even do cardio on my leg days. In the end, there is a million different ways to do it. I use to spend coutless hours writing down different splits on paper and test them all out for 2-4 weeks. Training hard like an animal will result in soreness and need more rest, I've found out that I typically hit one body part per week to aid in this. This also can leave time for dedicated conditioning sessions in between which will help any individual serious about training. YOU have to figure out what your body is accustomed to and also dependant on your individual goals. If I was just toning, etc I would hit each body part 2x per week myself. Trial and error my friend! Every 'body' is unique and different in many ways, we aren't all Arnold genetics here, altho we all wish we were

 

[ozzy123]

However, if that was my 4 day split I'd modify as follows

Chest/Back
Legs
Arms
Off/Cardio
Repeat

This way the legs have time to recover for the cardio 48 hours later. If this is continued without back off days or a rest day than I could see overtraining setting in. The body needs time to recover. You could do morning sessions on days 1 and 3 consiting of cardio. Than dedicate the 4th day soley to a REST/OFF day instead. Or do a warm up session 20-30 minutes before each workout consiting of low intensity cardio. HEck I even do cardio on my leg days. In the end, there is a million different ways to do it. I use to spend coutless hours writing down different splits on paper and test them all out for 2-4 weeks. Training hard like an animal will result in soreness and need more rest, I've found out that I typically hit one body part per week to aid in this. This also can leave time for dedicated conditioning sessions in between which will help any individual serious about training. YOU have to figure out what your body is accustomed to and also dependant on your individual goals. If I was just toning, etc I would hit each body part 2x per week myself. Trial and error my friend! Every 'body' is unique and different in many ways, we aren't all Arnold genetics here, altho we all wish we were

I believe you may be correct in saying that the shoulders are only stabilizers and wont get over trained by doing chest then shoulder the next day. But in your split you completely neglected to work them at all and this leads to my question of WHY??

thanks

 

[websy21]

I believe you may be correct in saying that the shoulders are only stabilizers and wont get over trained by doing chest then shoulder the next day. But in your split you completely neglected to work them at all and this leads to my question of WHY??

thanks

Shit sorry bro, I do shoulders on Arms day.... I will edit that since I did in fact forget to put it in haha