help me with this sugar debate....

[rykertest]

I was sitting at the breakfast table this morning at work and I was finishing my meal of egg whites and oatmeal with a half of a mango. It was quite good and my coworker was eating a snickers. He laughed at me and said, "why don't you just eat a candy bar instead of the fruit, as fas as the sugar goes, it's the same thing and it tastes much better". Well, I was a little ashamed that I couldn't refute him on that, but I quickly proceeded to lambaist him with how much fat was in that candy, no vitamins, etc, etc but the sugar thing got me. I love fruit, I eat a lot of it and I have wondered if I could lose some weight if I dropped the fruit. I have a horrible sweet tooth and I have managed to replace candy and baked goodies with fruit as my sweet tooth cure. As far as the body goes, is sugar in all it's forms really just sugar when it's all processed down in the body? I've heard a ton of theories over the years but just try and eat healthy, that includes fruit. Advise please.

 

[dallasmike]

I would think your body metabolizes fructose more efficiently than refined sugars , like sucrose. At least that what I was always told.

 

[rykertest]

I would think your body metabolizes fructose more efficiently than refined sugars , like sucrose. At least that what I was always told.

I agree, I think. I'll be honest in that I know fruit is better for me than sweets from a sugar standpoint, but I don't know why. lol I just try and eat what God makes, instead of man. K to you.

 

[Raptorex]

This is what I thought was true.

From here: http://www.hypoglycemia.org/diet.asp

DO -- Watch your fruit consumption. If you are in the early or severe stages of hypoglycemia, you may not be able to eat any fruit. Some patients can eat just a small amount. Your diet diary will help guide you. Avoid dried fruits completely.

DO -- Be careful of the amount of "natural" foods or drinks you consume. Even though juices are natural, they contain high amounts of sugar. Whether or not the sugar you consume is "natural", your body doesn't know the difference. Sugar is sugar is sugar...and your body will react to an excess of it.

 

[rykertest]

This is what I thought was true.

From here: http://www.hypoglycemia.org/diet.asp

DO -- Watch your fruit consumption. If you are in the early or severe stages of hypoglycemia, you may not be able to eat any fruit. Some patients can eat just a small amount. Your diet diary will help guide you. Avoid dried fruits completely.

DO -- Be careful of the amount of "natural" foods or drinks you consume. Even though juices are natural, they contain high amounts of sugar. Whether or not the sugar you consume is "natural", your body doesn't know the difference. Sugar is sugar is sugar...and your body will react to an excess of it.

The only fruit juices I drink are naked juice and then I eat whole fruit. Dryed fruits always give me the hershey squirts BAD.

So you agree with my coworker, the fat and vitamin issue aside, from a sugar standpoint, I might as well eat the candy bar?

 

[Raptorex]

The only fruit juices I drink are naked juice and then I eat whole fruit. Dryed fruits always give me the hershey squirts BAD.

So you agree with my coworker, the fat and vitamin issue aside, from a sugar standpoint, I might as well eat the candy bar?

no, only because of the vitamin benefit...imo (and fiber in some cases)

 

[rykertest]

no, only because of the vitamin benefit...imo (and fiber in some cases)

OK. K to you for your help. I do like to eat fruit as a snack though.....it sucks I can't eat more as it really helps with my sweet tooth, especially after dinner. I don't know why but I always crave sweets after lunch a little bit but really bad after dinner. I guess a few piece of fruit to crush the sweet tooth won't wreck my steady weight loss compared to a candy bar or a brownie.

 

[jerkbox]

fructose bad

glucose good

 

[OMEGA]

Fruit sugar ( fructose) and Milk Sugar (galactose) are the only sugars in nature that illicit no insulin response and help reglycogenate the liver quickly and also give immidiate brain food

tell you co woroker to shove the Snickers up his ass

 

[rykertest]

fructose bad

glucose good

K hit.

 

[rykertest]

Fruit sugar ( fructose) and Milk Sugar (galactose) are the only sugars in nature that illicit no insulin response and help reglycogenate the liver quickly and also give immidiate brain food

tell you co woroker to shove the Snickers up his ass

NICE, this was the type of stuff I was looking for. I didn't know that! k to you bro.

PS Got any links for this stuff so I can read up on it?

 

[OMEGA]

NICE, this was the type of stuff I was looking for. I didn't know that! k to you bro.

PS Got any links for this stuff so I can read up on it?

its a perfect food in moderation, in excess it may be "bad" but what is not?

 

[Raptorex]

A good lay person review of the issue.

Why Fructose Sugar Is Better Than White Sugar!

http://www.healthrecipes.com/fructose.htm

 

[rykertest]

its a perfect food in moderation, in excess it may be "bad" but what is not?

SO would you consider 3 servings of fruit a day too much? By serving I mean something equivilant to a banana or 5 strawberries. Or would some for breakfast and a small amount after dinner for a "dessert" be a better approach.

 

[velvett]

snickers are sugar and fat
mangos are sugar (half of the snickers bar), vitamins and fiber

snickers - full of artificial coloring and binders
mangos - water

fiber reduces the glycemic impact on the body


on the other hand if you are eating clean and your cals are in check and you are not losing weight you may want to consider lowering/dropping the fruit and taking note if start to lose weight without the fruit consumption.

 

[rykertest]

snickers are sugar and fat
mangos are sugar (half of the snickers bar), vitamins and fiber

snickers - full of artificial coloring and binders
mangos - water

fiber reduces the glycemic impact on the body


on the other hand if you are eating clean and your cals are in check and you are not losing weight you may want to consider lowering/dropping the fruit and taking note if start to lose weight without the fruit consumption.

good post k to you. thanks!

 

[rykertest]

A good lay person review of the issue.

Why Fructose Sugar Is Better Than White Sugar!

http://www.healthrecipes.com/fructose.htm

great link thanks man.

 

[OMEGA]

SO would you consider 3 servings of fruit a day too much? By serving I mean something equivilant to a banana or 5 strawberries. Or would some for breakfast and a small amount after dinner for a "dessert" be a better approach.

for an athlete not way too much

I like fruit first thing in the AM and after a low carb Dinner sometimes

 

[jackangel]

yeah, aside from the GI of any fruit being lower than that of a SNICKERS BAR (coworker = ignorant ), fruit usually isn't a processed piece of shit. can't say the same for a snickers. don't get me wrong...i love me some snickers, and enjoy them more than any fruit. but i also don't want to be a fat, unhealthy fuck (for the time being).

that said, if you're looking to lean out, you definitely want to keep the fruit intake down...have it in the morning with some solid protein, for example. i am eating fruit like a mofo these days, whenever i want, and it's probably not helping. as always, overall calories are the most important, blah, blah, blah...but hopefully keeping a check on carbs (i.e. fructose, in this case), especially late at night, actually does some good.

btw, i just said all of this because there's a fat dude eating a snickers bar pointing a gun at my head.

 

[rykertest]

yeah, aside from the GI of any fruit being lower than that of a SNICKERS BAR (coworker = ignorant ), fruit usually isn't a processed piece of shit. can't say the same for a snickers. don't get me wrong...i love me some snickers, and enjoy them more than any fruit. but i also don't want to be a fat, unhealthy fuck (for the time being).

that said, if you're looking to lean out, you definitely want to keep the fruit intake down...have it in the morning with some solid protein, for example. i am eating fruit like a mofo these days, whenever i want, and it's probably not helping. as always, overall calories are the most important, blah, blah, blah...but hopefully keeping a check on carbs (i.e. fructose, in this case), especially late at night, actually does some good.

btw, i just said all of this because there's a fat dude eating a snickers bar pointing a gun at my head.

quick do something manly!

 

[jackangel]

http://www.reagleplayers.com/Images/liberace/libfur2004.jpg

 

[rykertest]

http://www.reagleplayers.com/Images/liberace/libfur2004.jpg

Hi sugar.

 

[javaguru]

A snickers bar
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

now look up oatmeal, egg whites and half a mango as comparison. Macronutrients, micronutrients and phytochemicals all need to be considered as well as preservatives, additives and phytochemicals.

I don't advocate "meal replacement bars" because they are just a glorified snickers bar. Also, fructose has gotten a bad rap, it will preferentially replenish liver glycogen which is the primary source for circulating glucose on demand and brain glucose. The average liver can easily store 150g of glycogen and the human brain can use over 100g a day for normal functioning.

"The liver in a normal 70 kg human adult weighs approximately 1.5 kg, which constitutes some 2 to 3 percent of the body weight. [Metabolic fluxes quoted here refer to the typical 70 kg adult. Most of the data has been obtained with males and tissue proportions will be somewhat different with females.] The major cell type of liver is the hepatic parenchymal cell often simply referred to as a hepatocyte, a cell of epithelial origin. The liver is uniquely situated anatomically interposed between the intestinal tract and general circulation. It is also unique in its relationship to the endocrine pancreas, whose hormonal signals of insulin and glucagon play a predominant role in metabolic homeostasis. The liver receives a large volume of venous blood from the intestinal tract via the portal vein, a small volume of arterial blood via the hepatic artery, and is drained by the hepatic veins into the inferior vena cava near the heart. It is the first to "see" all the metabolites delivered from the intestine, with the exception of lipid, and the first to "see" the pancreatic hormones, insulin and glucagon. The liver plays a very important role in mammalian metabolic homeostasis. It also has perhaps the greatest metabolic flexibility of any organ, showing a tremendous adaptability to metabolic fluxes and an ability to adjust its composition depending on the presence or absence of incoming nutrients and the types of nutrients being delivered. It rapidly undergoes changes in size and in glycogen, protein and lipid content. In the fed state, the liver contains 5 to 10 percent of its wet weight as glycogen, which will reduce to near zero in a 24-hour fast, but will be rapidly replenished upon feeding. The enzymatic content of the liver also changes in response to nutrient intake. If, for example, an individual is placed on a high protein diet, in a day or two the liver will show a large increase in the content of those enzymes involved in amino acid metabolism and glucose production from the amino acid carbon. A high carbohydrate diet would produce the opposite effect. The liver plays a central role in whole body homeostasis. It is the primary place for deposition of stored carbohydrate and likewise the primary site from whence blood glucose is maintained; it also plays a pivotal role in lipid, protein and nitrogen homeostasis. Perhaps the most dramatic illustration of the metabolic capacity of liver is that it exports in a typical adult approximately 180 grams of glucose, 100 grams of triglyceride, and 14 grams of albumin per day, and these are only three of the many products that the liver must supply. The metabolic energy used by the liver to support these activities is primarily derived by fatty acid oxidation."