Help me setup my mast/test cycle

[Zinergy]

Hey guys, I'm wanting to run a test/mast cycle starting around Feb for 12 weeks.

Ultimately I want a cycle that will give results as close to Primo as possible.

This is what I'm thinking so far.

Weeks 1-8 I'm planning to run a surplus of calories +25-35%
Weeks 8-11 I'll be in extreme deficit while intermittent fasting.
Week 12 Maintenance cals.

Weeks
1-12 Test E 300mg/wk
1-12 Mast 600mg/wk
1-15 HCgenerate
15-16 Clomid (trying to substitute with HCG if I can even source it)
15-17 Forma
15-19 Unleashed PCT combo



Any suggestions for dosage, or anything to help speed up recovery?

Also does anyone know if mast is more suppressive than test on a mg to mg basis assuming same ester?

 

[EZ_E]

Hey guys, I'm wanting to run a test/mast cycle starting around Feb for 12 weeks.

Ultimately I want a cycle that will give results as close to Primo as possible.

This is what I'm thinking so far.

Weeks 1-8 I'm planning to run a surplus of calories +25-35%
Weeks 8-11 I'll be in extreme deficit while intermittent fasting.
Week 12 Maintenance cals.

Weeks
1-12 Test E 300mg/wk
1-12 Mast 600mg/wk
1-15 HCgenerate
15-16 Clomid (trying to substitute with HCG if I can even source it)
15-17 Forma
15-19 Unleashed PCT combo



Any suggestions for dosage, or anything to help speed up recovery?

Also does anyone know if mast is more suppressive than test on a mg to mg basis assuming same ester?

I love test/mast, lovvvvvvvve it....I usually run the mast @ about 525mg's/week and with prop....if you're going to run E make sure you get aromasin, hell really with any test...

If that's a current pic in your avi you will see tremendous results from this cycle, mast really does work great @ lower BF...

~EZ

 

[infraredline]

Hey guys, I'm wanting to run a test/mast cycle starting around Feb for 12 weeks.

Ultimately I want a cycle that will give results as close to Primo as possible.

This is what I'm thinking so far.

Weeks 1-8 I'm planning to run a surplus of calories +25-35%
Weeks 8-11 I'll be in extreme deficit while intermittent fasting.
Week 12 Maintenance cals.

Weeks
1-12 Test E 300mg/wk
1-12 Mast 600mg/wk
1-15 HCgenerate
15-16 Clomid (trying to substitute with HCG if I can even source it)
15-17 Forma
15-19 Unleashed PCT combo



Any suggestions for dosage, or anything to help speed up recovery?

Also does anyone know if mast is more suppressive than test on a mg to mg basis assuming same ester?

This is what I would do

Cycle:
1-8 Test p 100mg eod
1-8 Mast p 450mg a week split into eod injections
1-6 hcgenerate
7-8 hcg 1000ius a week
1-8 vitamin e 1000ius a day
1-8 aromasin 12.5mg e3d (since mast has anti estrogen effects)
Pct:
9-12 torem 90/60/60/30
9-12 post cycle unleashed combo
9-12 d-aspartic acid 3g a day
9-12 formastanzol

 

[Zinergy]

Nice, Infra any particular reason you choose 8 weeks?

I was actually thinking of running test e just for the sake of less injections, or should I just run prop?

I always have anastrazole on hand, and letro too boot just in case.

 

[infraredline]

Nice, Infra any particular reason you choose 8 weeks?

I was actually thinking of running test e just for the sake of less injections, or should I just run prop?

I always have anastrazole on hand, and letro too boot just in case.

Because with short esters 8 weeks is more then enough since it builds up in your system rather quickly, the reason you run long esters for 12 weeks is because they don't really build up till bout week 4, that's why people often run a kickstart with long ester cycles

Now if you are gonna run masteron propionate you need to run test propionate but if you wanna run test enanthate then you have to get masteron enanthate, you don't want to mix short with long esters

Personally I prefer short esters that way they are in and out of your system quicker thus allowing you to start your pct within days after your last pin allowing quicker recovery (meaning being suppressed/shutdown for a shorter period of time)
Also if you run into problems you can get it out of your system fast also

In regards to your ai I would use aromasin (exemestane) on cycle due to the fact that it is superior to controlling estrogen to arimidex (anastrozole), also I have heard recently anastrozole can cause ocular issues, lentrozole is always good to have around though just in case
Then as I said use formastanzol in your pct

If you wanna run long esters your cycle should look accordingly

Cycle:
1-12 test e 350mg (175mg mon 175mg thurs)
1-12 mast e 450mg (225mg mon 225mg thurs)
4-12 hcgenerate
13-14 1000iu hcg a week
4-14 1000iu vitamin e a day
1-14 aromasin 12.5mg e3d
Pct:
15-18 torem 90/60/60/30
15-18 post cycle unleashed combo
15-18 d-aspartic acid 3g a day
15-18 formastanzol

Optional
13-20 ostarine 15-25mg a day

 

[Zinergy]

Infra, awesome info.

I want to stay away from Masteron enenthate as I've heard mixed reviews about it being slightly different than the prop version.

 

[joeblow12345]

If you choose to run the long esters then I'd kick start with an oral. Katana v3 is a nice addition. As far as mast e and p go, I don't notice any difference other then injecting more often and it kicking in sooner. So it's up to you.


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[dylangemelli]

im doing 100 mg of test prop and 200 mg of mast prop eod along with anavar and it is some of the most amazing shit i have ever done man... i believe i will never run another cycle without masteron... as far as masteron being use as an ai... The anti-e properties of Masteron, Proviron, Primo, etc. are not sufficient to battle the heavy aromatization of compounds like Test or d-bol. You would still need to run a small dose of ai with your cycle (ie. Aromasin 12.5mg eod). I would opt for the prop versions of both however if you use the ethanate versions then you most definitely should kick it with anavar or even winstrol... also run one on the back end... if you run the prop version you could run anavar from the jump and have an incredible cycle... you will be fine to hit hcg weeks 5-8... there is no need for any more than that... test and mast is an amazing combo and throwing anavar in the mix makes it an ultimate cutting stack with the abilities to produce a good amount of lean muscle as well...

 

[Labtec70]

Masteron is excellent, either in proionate form or enanthate form. I'm on HRT and basically just bought it as a product to run as a mild anti-E, to combat any unwanted effects when I up my dose on a cycle.
With that being the case, I wasn't concerned about my BF levels which were then at 16%. However, even though I'm trying to bulk up a bit on Sustanon 250, the Masteron (propionate first month or so and now enanthate)
is working wonders on my vasularity. My arms look like spaghetti is under my skin and my shoulders are getting veiny too, with BF% at 12% presently. You'll love it if you've got the really, really, stuff. I can see why guys already at a low BF%
love it so much. If it can produce veins, a dry look and harden the muscles up on a relative smooth newbie, God knows what amazing effects it'll have on shredded guys like yourselves zinergy and Dylan.

Honestly, zin it is an amazing product!!!

Can I just ask what the reasoning behind running it higher than the testosterone please? I'm using 200mg per week with 400mg Sustanon. Are the effects more pronounced when using more than the base test?

Good luck with it mate. I'm sure it will work very well for you.

 

[infraredline]

Infra, awesome info.

I want to stay away from Masteron enenthate as I've heard mixed reviews about it being slightly different than the prop version.

Anytime bro, but as the others have said they both do the job but like I said I would stick with the short esters and doing what Dylan said with the var would be sick

 

[rage22]

You can check my test cyp log. I ended up running 500mg/wk test e/c and 400/wk mast e

Was a great cycle. I ran it 12 weeks but I felt I had a lot more bloat then I wanted. I went from 178 to 197 and looked good but was always hot and felt bloated, felt awesome other wise... I ran Adex @ .25-.33eod through out the cycle and estrogen was always below 45ng on all of my blood test that I took and posted in that log.

Pct was smooth and very easy. I would run again but I'm falling victim to wanting to stack that with tren and var and all in prop versions this go around. If the shot ever gets here. O and hgh rips > siked

 

[rage22]

Forgot to mention I have 3 other guys on the exact same test e/c and mast e cycle currently and 2 others that ran it before that. You'll be happy with that combo.

 

[Zinergy]

Now I'm getting pumped to start lol.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't ED injections on prop ester provide most consistent levels?

 

[infraredline]

Now I'm getting pumped to start lol.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't ED injections on prop ester provide most consistent levels?

From what I understand that is just overkill and a pain from injection frequency
When you look at the propionate ester it has a half life of about 4 days so that makes eod injections ideal

 

[dylangemelli]

Now I'm getting pumped to start lol.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't ED injections on prop ester provide most consistent levels?

No it does not

 

[Zinergy]

Ok, so this is what I'm thinking now then. Looking good?

1-8 test p 400mg/wk
1-8 Mast p 6-700mg/wk
1-8 HCGenerate
5-8 hcg 1000ius a week
1-8 vitamin e 1000ius a day
1-8 aromasin 12.5mg e2d
PCT:
9-12 torem 90/60/60/30
9-12 post cycle Unleashed combo
9-12 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
9-12 formastanzol

 

[infraredline]

Ok, so this is what I'm thinking now then. Looking good?

1-8 test p 400mg/wk
1-8 Mast p 6-700mg/wk
1-8 HCGenerate
5-8 hcg 1000ius a week
1-8 vitamin e 1000ius a day
1-8 aromasin 12.5mg e2d
PCT:
9-12 torem 90/60/60/30
9-12 post cycle Unleashed combo
9-12 D-aspartic acid 3g a day
9-12 formastanzol

Looks good, just keep the test p to 100mg eod (its gonna end up being 400mg 1 week 300mg the next just as long as you keep it at a constant dose eod it isn't a problem)
and the mast is too high, the ideal range is 400-500mg a week, anymore is overkill

 

[EZ_E]

All this prop/mast talk is giving me extreme wood..

~EZ

 

[dylangemelli]

bro run clomid instead of torem... torem is fine on a ph cycle but not on a bigger test cycle... run clomid 25/25/25/25... also, only run hcgenerate 1-4 then use hcg 5-8... the vitamin e is really unnecessary as well... the one thing i would really consider adding is anavar... it will enhance the cycle so much...