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help me plan my spring cutter

Dr.RobertBanner

Dr.RobertBanner

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Ok here is my preliminary plan. Not to get in contest shape obviously, just really lean. It'll be my first cutter and my first time with t3 and bromo, so any input is appreciated, Ok here it is:

1-12 75-100mg tren ED
7-12 50mg winny ED
1-10 250mg Test E every fifth day
1-4 DNP (either 1 on/1 off/1 on/ 1 off at 350mg ED OR all four weeks at 170mg ED, BTW I accidentally underdosed my caps)
1-4 12.5mcg or 25mcg t3
4-12 50mcg t3 (taper up and down)
12-16 12.5mcg t3
4-12 2.5mg bromo
1-16 .5mg ana or 1.25mg letro ED
12-16 clomid

And an ECA or NYC stack the whole time, ALA, Flax, antioxidants, glutamine, etc...

I will limit my carbs too less than 100gm the whole time, probably less at times. Typical high protien, mod fat, low carb cutting diet.

Don't want to use clen.

So I need input mostly on the t3, the tren dose, the DNP dosing protocol, and the bromo.

I do have 4000mg EQ (QV) that I could use, but I didn't want to be excessive.

Tell me what you think guys!
 
Looks good, except I don't like the DNP and 16 weeks on the t3 seems like a little overkill. Obviously you know what you are doing from this cycle and what you've told me, so good luck!!

btw, I esp. like the test e. and the fact that you didn't feel the need for prop just cuz it was a cutting cycle.
 
yeah, it is a long time on t3, but at 12.5mg a day it's non-supressive, so it's more like thyroid "bridging" rather than being on. I can't deciede if I should run the t3 12.5mcg or 25mcg during the dnp time, thats my big decision. I think I've deicded on the low dose for a month dnp plan though, as well as 75mg tren ED.

So, who has run long, low dose, dnp cycles, and how much if any t3 did you use to combat t3 shutdown? your results?
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:
Ok here is my preliminary plan. Not to get in contest shape obviously, just really lean. It'll be my first cutter and my first time with t3 and bromo, so any input is appreciated, Ok here it is:

1-12 75-100mg tren ED
7-12 50mg winny ED
1-10 250mg Test E every fifth day
1-4 DNP (either 1 on/1 off/1 on/ 1 off at 350mg ED OR all four weeks at 170mg ED, BTW I accidentally underdosed my caps)
1-4 12.5mcg or 25mcg t3
4-12 50mcg t3 (taper up and down)
12-16 12.5mcg t3
4-12 2.5mg bromo
1-16 .5mg ana or 1.25mg letro ED
12-16 clomid

And an ECA or NYC stack the whole time, ALA, Flax, antioxidants, glutamine, etc...

I will limit my carbs too less than 100gm the whole time, probably less at times. Typical high protien, mod fat, low carb cutting diet.

Don't want to use clen.

So I need input mostly on the t3, the tren dose, the DNP dosing protocol, and the bromo.

I do have 4000mg EQ (QV) that I could use, but I didn't want to be excessive.

Tell me what you think guys!
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Bromo for Weeks 1-16

Start at 1.25 2x/day andf IF YOU CAN, go to 2.5mgs 2X/day
if you don't get dizzy.

If you do, stay at 1.25mgs 2X/day for the entire 16 weeks.

Fonz
 
barnidge said:
Fonz:

Will the Bromo just help with appetite regulation or does it actually "burn" fat?
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It burns fat via PNS stimulation.

Fonz
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:
Ok here is my preliminary plan. Not to get in contest shape obviously, just really lean. It'll be my first cutter and my first time with t3 and bromo, so any input is appreciated, Ok here it is:

1-12 75-100mg tren ED
7-12 50mg winny ED
1-10 250mg Test E every fifth day
1-4 DNP (either 1 on/1 off/1 on/ 1 off at 350mg ED OR all four weeks at 170mg ED, BTW I accidentally underdosed my caps)
1-4 12.5mcg or 25mcg t3
4-12 50mcg t3 (taper up and down)
12-16 12.5mcg t3
4-12 2.5mg bromo
1-16 .5mg ana or 1.25mg letro ED
12-16 clomid

And an ECA or NYC stack the whole time, ALA, Flax, antioxidants, glutamine, etc...

I will limit my carbs too less than 100gm the whole time, probably less at times. Typical high protien, mod fat, low carb cutting diet.

Don't want to use clen.

So I need input mostly on the t3, the tren dose, the DNP dosing protocol, and the bromo.

I do have 4000mg EQ (QV) that I could use, but I didn't want to be excessive.

Tell me what you think guys!
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bro, if you are going to use t-3, you might as well go all the way up to 100mcg/ed, your THS will be inhibited either way
 
BigAndy69 said:
Whoa...easy on the T3...16 weeks is way too long. 12 weeks at 12.5mcg is enough.
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Hmm, after reading some of e2's and other posts, I am considering just using 12.5mcg the whole time, I dunno. Then I got people like serge saying bump it to 100mcg... :confused:

And I will run the bromo at 2.5mg ED for the 16 weeks. I'm a little scared to go up to 5mg, heard of some crazy sides.

But with my original plan, I'll only be "on" t3 (at a suppresive dose) for 7-8 weeks. The other weeks at 12.5mg wouldn't be suppresive. Bill Roberts thought using a low dose after a heavy cycle would be a good idea.
 
Maybe it's not a suppresive dose but it's still T3...once ypu come off T3, you need to stop any drug that affects the thyroid if you expect it to bounce back.

What Serge is saying(and I agree with him) is you either do 12.5mcg or you go all out. If you're going to supress your thyroid production, you may as well go to 75-100mcg for less than 7-8 weeks.

7-8 weeks is too long from my experience, stick to 5-6 weeks.
 
Hmm, I dunno. I think a 12.5mcg dose with Guggulsterones and forscollin (sp?) after would be a good way to recover. Like a low primo dose will still allow for HPTA recovery will providing anabolic support, I think 12.5mg will allow for thyroid recovery while providing metabolic support. This is what I understood when talking to Bill anyway.
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:
Hmm, I dunno. I think a 12.5mcg dose with Guggulsterones and forscollin (sp?) after would be a good way to recover. Like a low primo dose will still allow for HPTA recovery will providing anabolic support, I think 12.5mg will allow for thyroid recovery while providing metabolic support. This is what I understood when talking to Bill anyway.
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This is what I did.

I have been using the T3(12.5) and Guggulsterones(100mg/day)
stack for 4 months straight........

My bloodwork, including T4/T3/TSH comes back in a couple
of weeks.

It will be interesting to see the results.

Fonz
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:
Hmm, I dunno. I think a 12.5mcg dose with Guggulsterones and forscollin (sp?) after would be a good way to recover. Like a low primo dose will still allow for HPTA recovery will providing anabolic support, I think 12.5mg will allow for thyroid recovery while providing metabolic support. This is what I understood when talking to Bill anyway.
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Forskholi doesn't increase T4-T3 conversion. It increases C-amp
levels within the cells, leading to increased FFA breakdown.

You should supplement with L-Tyrosine: 8g/day for 5-6 weeks
after you finish the cycle.

This will help bring your thyroid back to speed, if it is low.(Doubt it, but we'll assume so.)


Fonz
 
damn, thanks fonz

How has the weight loss been with the 12.5mcg and guggul combo?

Did you run a high dose cycle before the low dose one? Were you one gear all or part of the time?

I'm not fat, only 10-11% but I'll do a fall bulker before this spring cycle so I'll probably be at 13-14% (but with a ton of new muscle!) at the end. I'm sorta endomorphic, so fat loss sin't easy for me, but I want to get down to 7-8% by the end of that cycle. I'll be able to lose a few percent before the cutter though.
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:
damn, thanks fonz

How has the weight loss been with the 12.5mcg and guggul combo?

Did you run a high dose cycle before the low dose one? Were you one gear all or part of the time?

I'm not fat, only 10-11% but I'll do a fall bulker before this spring cycle so I'll probably be at 13-14% (but with a ton of new muscle!) at the end. I'm sorta endomorphic, so fat loss sin't easy for me, but I want to get down to 7-8% by the end of that cycle. I'll be able to lose a few percent before the cutter though.
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I ran high dose for 8 weeks, followed by 16 weeks of low dosing.

I was using Fina throughout. 24 weeks and counting.

Fonz
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:


24 weeks on fina??? No just the fina for the 8 weeks huh?
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Yes. I've been on Fina for 6 months in low and high doses.
Averages out to about 100mg ED.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


Yes. I've been on Fina for 6 months in low and high doses.
Averages out to about 100mg ED.

Fonz
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:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

Wow, with that long on t3 and fina, you must be damn ripped. Averages out to 100mg ED?? You must have ran some big doses in there. No negative sides? HCG runs in there? How are your nuts? Any other AAS or anti-e's?

And what do your stats look like?
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:


:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

Wow, with that long on t3 and fina, you must be damn ripped. Averages out to 100mg ED?? You must have ran some big doses in there. No negative sides? HCG runs in there? How are your nuts? Any other AAS or anti-e's?

And what do your stats look like?
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HCG? No. I hate HCG.

Sides? A pimple or two here and there. The Guggulsterones
took care of this. Painful pumps sometimes. Specially the day after.

Nut shrinkage? Yes.

Libido: No problem when on Proviron. I'm going to bridge with EQ
until Jan, when I'm switching over to Anavar to recover during
the Univ. semester Jan-May.

Ant-E's: Arimidex. I always run this.

Fonz
 
damn, thats a seriously long cycle my friend

Why did you choose to stay on so long and have you ever done it before? Won't EQ be too supressive at a decent dose (>400mg) to bridge with?

I'd be really interested to hear your reasoning behind this.
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:
damn, thats a seriously long cycle my friend

Why did you choose to stay on so long and have you ever done it before? Won't EQ be too supressive at a decent dose (>400mg) to bridge with?

I'd be really interested to hear your reasoning behind this.
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Yes. Have been on anavar and winstrol year round in my young and foolish days.(Comp. sports)

And yes EQ IS suppressive, but it is milder than Fina. What I'm doing is a descending pattern of anabolics. Fina-EQ-Anavar.

Anavar will be run for 4 months, AM only. Plus other things for
recovery.

I will reach my desired weight in Oct. and therefore have no need
to cycle again(unless I lose weight), and will be staying on
Anavar for a while. Probably Jan-Aug.

Fonz
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:


:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

Wow, with that long on t3 and fina, you must be damn ripped. Averages out to 100mg ED?? You must have ran some big doses in there. No negative sides? HCG runs in there? How are your nuts? Any other AAS or anti-e's?

And what do your stats look like?
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Sorry. Missed this question.

I'm 5"9 190lbs at 7.5%(Was 9% 2 weeks ago).

I'm stopping at 190lbs 5%, and then maintaining.

If you want to use a good fat-loss suplement, use CLA.
At the 20g/day range, it really, really works.

CLA+ALA+GLA is even better.

Fonz
 
barnidge said:
FOnz,

Where can someone purchases CLA at that quanity?
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Go to animals board and look for instynct99. He sells it
in bulk. Along with other legal things.

There's a couple of threads currently running there about CLA.

Fonz
 
Fonz, you got any pics? I'd like to see what 190 and damn lean looks like, that's were I'd like to be in a year our two, I'm about your height (5'8")and 180 @ 10-11%, although I dunno how different our frames are. I've got a pretty big frame.
 
Dr.RobertBanner said:
CLA at that dose would cost me a fortune. Like $5 a day.
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Well, all you need is 6-10g/day. I was just experimenting.

Instynct has 1000 1000mg gel caps of CLA for $155 and 2000 gel caps for $275. Thats pretty good.

Fonz
 
barnidge said:
Fonz,

If you had to choose between ALA and CLA which would it be?
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1. r-ala

2. CLA

3. Racemic ALA

R-ala is also being sold powder. $140/100g Pretty good.

Fonz
 
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