Help me make a decision

[Sherk]

I can't decide which to add to my next cycle. Oral winny with a test base, or var with a test base? I've been doing some serious research on these two and can't come up with my conclusion. Which would you choose and why?

 

[perico13]

Personally I prefer var. Better gains and strength And is a mild oral. Winstrol will kill your lipids and fuck your joints. Either one get some n2guard and drink lots of water.

 

[Sherk]

Kinda what I was thinking. I have rotator cuff problems that flair up time to time, do you think winny will mess with it since it drys out joints? Will var effect it as well?

 

[Backtobasicks]

Kinda what I was thinking. I have rotator cuff problems that flair up time to time, do you think winny will mess with it since it drys out joints? Will var effect it as well?

Rotator cuff injuries can be bad, depending on the severity of yours... I'd probably reconsider drying out your joints with winny if it's a problem you battle with.. Any chance of getting the shoulder in check before? Or is it surgery related

 

[chesty]

I haven't tried the var yet, I have some, but I was waiting for a bridge point. I personally like winny and never had issues with joints myself. More tendon problems, but those are not related to winny.

 

[Sherk]

Rotator cuff injuries can be bad, depending on the severity of yours... I'd probably reconsider drying out your joints with winny if it's a problem you battle with.. Any chance of getting the shoulder in check before? Or is it surgery related

It's been an on and off issue since I was a teenager from grappling since I was 4. I'm 29 now so it's been a while. It doesn't bother me very often. After and during a good shoulder workout it feels very fatigued and somewhat sore every so often.

 

[tren test nut]

Do the Var!!

 

[Judo Tom]

you need to state your goals.. i would chose one but it depends your goals as to what is best for you.

give your full stats history and goals and you will get some good responses.

 

[pector]

Anavar!

 

[UA_Iron]

In this situation I'd do them both, but thats me.

Var is mild, a few years ago everyone thought it was pretty much worthless, now the trend has changed to it being a very good drug.

 

[stevesmi]

neither..

if you want to go the oral route go with dbol/proviron you get the best of both worlds.

 

[Cali72]

Winny plays havoc with your cholesterol levels so var for me everytime.

 

[Sherk]

neither..

if you want to go the oral route go with dbol/proviron you get the best of both worlds.

I'm looking for muscle gain with vascularity and lean, dry and hard look. My last cycle was test only and I couldn't shake off some water weight even with a VERY clean diet. I have test now but want something to counter act the water I couldn't get rid of. When I came off cycle I lost all my water weight and was very lean and dry. Wont dbol bloat me?

 

[stevesmi]

I'm looking for muscle gain with vascularity and lean, dry and hard look. My last cycle was test only and I couldn't shake off some water weight even with a VERY clean diet. I have test now but want something to counter act the water I couldn't get rid of. When I came off cycle I lost all my water weight and was very lean and dry. Wont dbol bloat me?

dbol alone would yes.. but this is the way i run it.

I do 20-30mg dbol a day split up. i do 10mg when i wake up.. 10mg when i go to sleep.. and another 10mg before my workout

then i do 25mg proviron in the am and another 25mg in the pm. the proviron is the DHT and is very androgenic.. its pure androgen!! it lowers SHBG thus preventing estrogen from forming so you won't see the bloat from dbol.

and i keep a bottle of forma on hand and squirt here and there to further take care of any estrogen concerns. bro i got so HARD running this stack that i plan on running it again very soon. i got so hard that my massage therapist thought i was some kind of freak and said she had never massaged someone whose muscles were that hard and tight.

so the dbol and proviron work together which is why i say its the best of both worlds.. rather than stacking 2 DHT's.. you stack an androgen with proviron and dbol which provides your anabolism. they work great together.

consider this stack, i know you already have your sights set on this var cycle but i promise you next time around if you run this stack you will fall in love.

 

[kc17]

What doses do you have in minds ?

 

[Sherk]

dbol alone would yes.. but this is the way i run it.

I do 20-30mg dbol a day split up. i do 10mg when i wake up.. 10mg when i go to sleep.. and another 10mg before my workout

then i do 25mg proviron in the am and another 25mg in the pm. the proviron is the DHT and is very androgenic.. its pure androgen!! it lowers SHBG thus preventing estrogen from forming so you won't see the bloat from dbol.

and i keep a bottle of forma on hand and squirt here and there to further take care of any estrogen concerns. bro i got so HARD running this stack that i plan on running it again very soon. i got so hard that my massage therapist thought i was some kind of freak and said she had never massaged someone whose muscles were that hard and tight.

so the dbol and proviron work together which is why i say its the best of both worlds.. rather than stacking 2 DHT's.. you stack an androgen with proviron and dbol which provides your anabolism. they work great together.

consider this stack, i know you already have your sights set on this var cycle but i promise you next time around if you run this stack you will fall in love.

Hmmmm. You've got my attention with that. That sounds exactly what I'm looking for. Are you suggesting dbol/proviron only with no test? I'm definitely going to look into going that rout. Winny is out of the question for sure. Thanks steve!

 

[Sherk]

I have nearly 200 blue heart dianabol sitting in a drawer, they're far too water-y for me. I tend to use Tbol instead, but it seems such a waste.

I'm a big fan of proviron, maybe I'll get some and try it along with the dbol.

In fact, I'm using masteron in a cycle at the moment, which I think of as the injectible equivalent of proviron. I think I'll try 3 days of dbol at 30mg per day (which would normally blow me up like a water balloon without an AI), just as a little experiment.

as for the original anavar / winstrol question in this thread, go for anavar if you can afford it at a decent dose. Winstrol always feels like a "dirty" drug to me, it makes the tendons inside my elbows ache so much that I can't train biceps.

Yeah the more and more I was looking into winny the more I didn't agree with it. Steve knows his sh1t so I think I'm going to go his rout. After doing some research on it, it makes since to me that dbol with proviron shouldn't bloat me. It seems as if they compliment one another.