Help ive developed a binge eating disorder from dieting

[JJFigure]

Great job P60! At least you're getting the cardio in - doesn't really matter what time of day you do it, as long as you do it, IMHO. Here's something else you can try that burns a lot of kcals, if you're tired of cardio: 8x8s w/ 15 second rest intervals. You do 8 sets of 8 reps with 15 second rest intervals. You have to drop weight considerably (usually 40%), and the first 3 sets feel easy, but by the 8th set, you're struggling to finish. You can do your whole workout in this format, and trust me, you'll feel it, heart, lungs, and muscles.

 

[p60]

jjfigure,

wow, 8 sets of 8 reps w/ 15 sec intervals would be hard, lol!
That is definately something to consider. I am still kinda toying with what I want to do with my weight routine, this definately seems like something worth trying, reminds me of circuit training.

crunch1,

2 weeks, that is very good. to think that you havent even had 1 cheat food yet. I have 2 cheat meals planned for Saturday.
Ha, I don't know if I could go forever without any kind of cheat food. heh, its not bad for you in quite small quantities, but we all know how hard it can be to keep moderation with cheating, lol. Planning it out before works pretty well.

All I can say is that don't worry, having a sugary or fatty food once in awhile isnt morally wrong. So if you really want to, you can have it as a cheat meal or something, just keep control of things. I find it great to do so, as its not necessary to eat brocolli and tuna all the time to stay lean, and the cheat food gives a great sense of variety and taste. I've found that when I restrict myself from having anything other than my dietary foods, i set myself up, because subconsciously I know I can get lean and be happier w/o an anal diet 100% of the time therefore I'll 'cheat'. Then my conscious mind tries to beat myself up for this, when there is really no need to, thus beating myself up for it becomes destructive, going into that depression/binge vicious cycle.


Reason I say all this is because I know how hard it can be to go really long periods of time without cheat food period. Personally, I've never gone for more than 2 weeks without cheating, as my body will viciously crave it, lol. Therefore its good to respect that, and to avoid being a dieting nazi if it isnt necessary.

just my own 2 cents

 

[Fonz]

Have you read this Fonz?

http://www.prescription-diet-pills-pharmacy.com/recommended.htm

http://www.injuryboard.com/lvlFourCause.cfm?varFrom=SearchResults&Cause4ID=142

http://xmlsearch.gator.com/overture/ovr_results_frame.html?gt_keywords=Pondimin&bannerid=8795

Yes.

And as usual, you are being brainwashed by the media.

Did you actually EXAMINE the compostion of the trials?

No, you probably didn't.

Anyways, its the Phen-Fen combo that is BAD for people with ADVANCED heart disease, artheriosclorosis and a whole host of other metabolic dirseases due to obesity.

Later, they retracted their statements and declared FENFLURAMINE a.k.a. Pondimin safe in trials up to 90 days.

Here is the post by George:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25083&highlight=fenfluramine

The excerpt:

Thursday June 14 5:59 PM ET
Heart Unharmed by Short Use of Banned Diet Drug
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - There appears to be no evidence that people who took the diet drug fenfluramine for a short period of time before it was removed from the US market in 1997 are at higher risk for heart valve abnormalities.

The findings confirm others that suggest that patients--mostly women--who took the drug for less than 3 months are not at risk for the heart valve problems seen in those who took the drug for a longer period of time, according to the report in the June 11th issue of Archives of Internal Medicine (news - web sites).

The drug was pulled from the market in 1997 after it was linked to heart problems, particularly when used in the so-called ``fen-phen'' combination--a mixture of the drugs phentermine and fenfluramine or dexfenfluramine. These heart-valve defects can make the heart work less efficiently by allowing blood to backwash into one of the heart's chambers.

In the new study, Dr. Ravin Davidoff, from Boston University Medical Center, and colleagues looked at women who took the drug as part of a 1993 smoking cessation study. The women had been randomly assigned to take 60 milligrams of fenfluramine or an inactive placebo every day for 3 months.

The researchers were able to locate more than 500 of the original 720 enrolled in the trial and found that up to 5 years later, those women who took the drug had heart function essentially the same as those who did not take the diet drug.

``It is now generally agreed that treatment with fenfluramine-based diet drugs for 3 months or less does not increase the prevalence of valvular abnormalities,'' the researchers note. ``However, concerns regarding long-term followup have not previously been addressed. This study provides additional information regarding cardiovascular status almost 5 years after drug discontinuation.''

SOURCE: Archives of Internal Medicine 2001;161:1429-1436.

That probably opens a few eyes I bet.

Fonz

 

[p60]

yo, time for an update

I have some good news and I have some bad news.

Okay, so basically I've gone all this time without binging or even overeating, which is really cool! I'm gettin a lil sick of apples and oats and turkey though, I need some more variety in my diet.

Now last night on Friday, I was dang hungry at night, and there was hardly any food around.
I open the fridge, and there are 2 slices left of my mom's apple pie.
I wanted it pretty bad, but cheat meal day was today, so I thought maybe I should hold out, but when I thought further I realized that the pie looked pretty healthy, and that 2 slices isn't all that bad, and that I should still be able to get lean even if I 'give in' every now and then,

so I had some of the best apple pie I've ever tasted, yesterday.
And had a tiny bit more food, and that was it. No need to binge at all or nothin.

Today is my day where I have 2 cheat meals. I had one of them for breakfast. I actually think it might be better if I dont force myself to have the next when, and I just take it sometime next week when I need it.

I'm starting to think this 'cheat' organizing junk is weird, and that everything will work out as long as you are moderate, thus dont binge, and you limit how often and how much you do it.

I think I am going to loosen up my diet rules a bit.



Now I also have some news that I think officially qualifies as bad news...

yesterday I was postponing my cardio all through the after noon and early evening,

and then I got an invitation to watch Spiderman, a movie I hadn't seen before,
then I went over to a friends house immediately to hang out.

So yes, due to my lack of planning, I ended up missing a cardio session yesterday.
So you guys are allowed to yell at me.

 

[JJFigure]

Now you have to do double-cardio to make up for it.

Just kidding!

Sometimes, it's healthy to skip a workout - it gets you more fired up for the next one. As long as it doesn't become a habit, I wouldn't sweat it.

Personally, I don't believe in scheduled cheat days. Of course, I'm in the middle of dieting for a comp, so I don't get to cheat at all. But even if I could, I wouldn't schedule them. I would occassionally go out with friends and have a nice dinner, drink some wine, and have a bite of someone's dessert. Makes you feel good without feeling bad, if you know what I mean. And I'd rather keep it spontaneous, so I don't feel like I "have" to cheat today because I scheduled it.

Plus, the longer I go without eating sugar, the less I want to eat it. Even the smell starts to make me feel sick, after a while. Someone was eating twizzlers at work, and I could barely stand the smell. And I used to love licorice.

 

[crunch1]

ok, time fore my sorry ass update

well i dont know what the fuck is wrong with me.

thursday night, i binged --not too bad
firday went well
friday night---i binged - bad
saturday (today) i binged
i finished what was left from last night, and waxed off burker king and a big ass bag of cookies


guys, i dont know what to say, im pretty fucked up. I feel like shit right now, im sure its from all the sugar. I went 2 weeks with out doing it and then got slammed. I had dropped 2lbs and everything was going good. I dont know what happened. I probably set myself back again, far back. here i was attempting to cut to 180, im @ 195 with no strength, and maybe a little muscle gains.

WHAT SHOULD I DO?????????????????????????
I guess im going to just go with the flow, and see what happens. I'm starting an antidepressant, there is something wrong upstairs, maybe that'll help (low motivation in everything)

so i either:
a: get back on my ass and resume to cut up
b: say fuck it and bulk up even more

As of right now i feel like i got the BINGING out of my system, i could probably go another 2 weeks without it, it was easy last time, I dunno why i gave in.

 

[jenny27]

crunch1....i'm sure it's a sign of your body telling you something...i did the same exact thing and am trying to get back on track (fracturing my foot didn't help me out at all). I was trying to go low carb for a while but i think my body just craves it and i'll go a week then binge on weekends and just practically give up (it's like if i ate one cookie i give up big time and go all out). For now i'm trying to eat a balanced diet (not counting carbs anymore so much) and just eating under maitenance for calories. this seems like it's the best way for me right now (i thought i needed to see a psychiatrist b/c i am a compulsive and emotional eater so i can relate to you). But when i go through these boards and see that i'm not alone and that many of us struggle w/ our diets, it makes me feel better; i have been working on telling myself that i control what goes in my mouth and that my subconscious can't force me to eat anything if my conscious doesn't agree.

 

[monkeypants]

vitamins & minerals?

Not that this may be the ultimate solution to your problems but if you don't already have you considered supplementing with vitamins and minerals? Deficiencies in essential vitamins & minerals can contribute to cravings and other problems. But don't take my word for it, just do a search on google using 'crave' 'binge' and 'deficiency' and you'll be surprised at how much information you'll get. I'm sure you will find a solution if you look hard enough. Good luck.

mp

 

[Vageta]

Crunch if you have a legitimate problem then there isn't much you're going to be able to do to fight it with pure willpower, it will require some sort of medication to correct the imbalance. However I wouldn't jump to conclusions. We know there are true eating disorders out there, but of all the people on this thread that suffer exactly what you're talking about I'd guess only 1 of them truely has a problem and the rest could probably fix their binging with leptin manipulation and a less hardcore approach to their dieting.

You talked about dieting straight for 2 weeks before having to binge and you didn't mention any refeeds. Don't discount their effectiveness. My suggestion for you is to do a 6 hour refeed on Wednesday and then a full 12 hour refeed on 1 of the weekend days. Plan them ahead and know what and how much you will eat on those days. These days will help keep your from doing an uncontrollable binge at a later time. This is what I currently do and it doesn't hamper my fat loss at all not to mention it curbs my cravings big time. You've already told us you had no trouble getting ripped before by doing a single unadultered cheat day a week so 1.5 controlled refeeds per week are not going to hamper it either. Just do your half day refeed after a workout, and the full day one doesn't matter so much.

Whatever you do, don't keep going back into the diet so determined to lose the fat so quickly that you get feel the need to go hardcore. That is exactly what caused this fiasco in the first place. Ease yourself into it and as you get more comfortable then up the anti a bit. I'd suggest a mild caloric deficit for the first few weeks with the refeeds. Then if you get through them ok drop your calories a bit until you get in your ideal groove. If you keep up what you're doing then you'll probably just diet perfectly for a week or two then binge and destroy what you just did, and then repeat the cycle indefinately.

 

[p60]

time fo another update:

I don't mean to make the 2nd dissapointment here, but here goes:

Saturday was my 2x cheat meal day, which I simply turned into a cheat day, lol. The problem was i cheated a lil on Friday, and I also cheated a lil this morning for breakfast.

The great news is that I have not binged or even overeaten yet. But I have been eating pretty unhealthy for the last 40 hours. last night I went like 7-8 hours in the evening without a meal, got home late, and ate a fair amount of sugary carbs, but i didnt binge.
still feels bad about how unhealthy that was though.

To make matters worse, my sleep cycle has been vicious. Example: I stayed up til 3:30 last night and didn't get to church this morning,

and as far as Exercise goes: yesterday I procrastinated it again, then got offered to hang out with friends that evening, so I didn't get it done. That makes 2 days in a row without cardio.
I feel extrememly guilty now.

But its okay to feel guilty, just not unmotivated and depressed.

Either way, bed times suck and cardio really sucks,
I think I really just need to find a way to crank up my discipline.

This is ironic Crunch,
I was just about to go on a plan with no cheat food at all, no cheat days, etc. Hoping that would make me want to cheat less during the days I'm not supposed to.

heh, well, after Vagetas comment and your experience maybe refeeds do have a purpose and are worthwhile.
I might have to change my mind again and continue to use them.

anyways Crunch,

I wouldnt worry about it too much. Just keep on trying different ideas until something works. I would go with the refeed idea that vageta suggested.
It's either that or find a way to change your incentives to make you want "Lean" more.
I really don't believe in willpower all that much.