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Help Guards pick his new hunting rifle:)

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Hey lads,
I'm in the process of trying to pick my new hunting rifle. I primarily hunt moose and whitetail deer, so I think it should be chambered in 30-06 but any suggestions are welcome.

Here are a few of my ideas:


Ruger:

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=7850&return=Y

Remington:

http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/700adsyn.htm

http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/700bssdm.htm

http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/fi_710.htm


Savage:

http://www.savagearms.com/centerfire/package/116fxp3.htm


I'm currently leaning towards the Ruger. As for optics, I'll probably go with a Bushnell medallion series or something similar.


All suggestions welcome!!!!


Thanks lads, I'll distribute the ole karma for some help:)
 
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Remington Model 700 ADL with synthetic stock in 30-06 is perfect for game....Get a better scope than Bushnell.... I got a Burris 3x9 and still haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Waiting to put on a Bipod for it as well.
 
I only use NIKON optics.

Aren't the model 700 under scrutiny for misfirings?

look at the .375 chambered rifles for moose.
 
Ruger 22-250 with an 18x40 variable scope

mines been great, though it may be a bit small for moose unless you're darn good with your head shots
 
I gotta go with the Remington. Very nice.

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What ranges? Keep the range close on the moose and a .30-06 with a ~225 grain Nosler Partition/Barnes X or similar controlled expansion bullet should work fine. Then use 180 grain Ballistic tips or similar pure soft bullets for the thinner skinned whitetails.

.30-06 is in my mind, one of the world's most versatile cartridges.

.300 Mag is a bit too much for our small Southern whitetails, but if you're hunting the 300 lb ones that I have seen from Canada then the .300 would work well for those too.

I wouldn't look at a gun less than .30 caliber, and although a .338/8 millimeter would work well on moose, it would be a bit overkill on whitetails.

For guns, I'm a big fan of Remington 700s and Pre 64 style Winchester 70s. Although I dont have any expirience with many other bolt action centerfires, so I cant say good or bad for them.\

You could just get a pair of lever action rifles, one in .30-30 for whitetails and one in .35 Whelen for moose ;)
 
distanced said:
Ruger 22-250 with an 18x40 variable scope

mines been great, though it may be a bit small for moose unless you're darn good with your head shots
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You use a 22-250 for deer???? Isn't that a tad small? Have you had success with that?

22-250 would just make a moose mad, really mad.
 
gtrcivic said:
Remington Model 700 ADL with synthetic stock in 30-06 is perfect for game....Get a better scope than Bushnell.... I got a Burris 3x9 and still haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Waiting to put on a Bipod for it as well.
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What's wrong with bushnell? What have you heard about bushnell's quality?

I use a leopold on my competition rifle but was trying to save a couple of bucks on the optics (No pun intended..lol). Do you think i should spend the extra $$$ on a better scope?
 
Y_Lifter said:
I only use NIKON optics.

Aren't the model 700 under scrutiny for misfirings?

look at the .375 chambered rifles for moose.
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I think the new model 710 is the one that people are questioning....cheap for what you get.


Nikon optics,eh? Pricey, do you think they are worth it?
 
are you kidding me, with my 22-250 I take white tail down at 350yd + ! All it takes is one Mairne rifle expert on the other end and that deer doesn't stand a chance. It's the greatest rifle I've owned and has exceptional range!
 
Tarheel said:


You could just get a pair of lever action rifles, one in .30-30 for whitetails and one in .35 Whelen for moose ;)
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I used to use a Marlin 30-30 for deer. The gun turned into a bit of a death trap when i attempted to adjust the trigger weight and ended up with a very scary hair trigger. I can still use it, but prefer not to. You fart too loud and it'll go off.

My only beef with lever action rifles is that they are a pain in the ass to clean and/or strip. I'm ex-military, so a clean rifle is a bit of an obsession :(


What about 7mm....think i could use it for deer and moose?
 
distanced said:
are you kidding me, with my 22-250 I take white tail down at 350yd + ! All it takes is one Mairne rifle expert on the other end and that deer doesn't stand a chance. It's the greatest rifle I've owned and has exceptional range!
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Easy there devil dog, i never said you couldn't hit it. It just seems that such a small round would mean you're following blood trails for a few miles. Can you take it down with some power with that caliber? That's just a .22 on steroids.
 
Being fair to distanced, I have used, and killed more game with my .222/12 guage over/under than any other rifle I have, or will ever use for that matter....I have never lost 1 animal, nor have they run...

Shot placement is paramount though....

I wouldn't try a moose with it, and I personally like the smaller calibers that do just as good as the much larger ones...You must consider the type enviroment you'll be hunting, if it's wooded, brushy, and thick, a heavy caliber should be thought of first....If it's a bit more open and allows you a longer, and cleaner shot...I lean towards the 6mm Mag.

I personally love mine...Hunt deer with it in the fall, and burn groundhogs up with it in the summer, the only thing I do is switch from my Leupold(Deer) to my 20X Jurntal(Groundhogs) with spring action precussion mounts....Of course I played around with it a bit...Bedded, free-floated, trigger re-worked, and removed all the factory ejectors and extractors and replaced them with Sako.....

Hmmmmmmmmm......Did I say Sako...???

Now there is another thought....<evil wink>

Ranger
 
The Ranger said:
Being fair to distanced, I have used, and killed more game with my .222/12 guage over/under than any other rifle I have, or will ever use for that matter....I have never lost 1 animal, nor have they run...

Shot placement is paramount though....

I wouldn't try a moose with it, and I personally like the smaller calibers that do just as good as the much larger ones...You must consider the type enviroment you'll be hunting, if it's wooded, brushy, and thick, a heavy caliber should be thought of first....If it's a bit more open and allows you a longer, and cleaner shot...I lean towards the 6mm Mag.

I personally love mine...Hunt deer with it in the fall, and burn groundhogs up with it in the summer, the only thing I do is switch from my Leupold(Deer) to my 20X Jurntal(Groundhogs) with spring action precussion mounts....Of course I played around with it a bit...Bedded, free-floated, trigger re-worked, and removed all the factory ejectors and extractors and replaced them with Sako.....

Hmmmmmmmmm......Did I say Sako...???

Now there is another thought....<evil wink>

Ranger
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Sako? I never even considered it....hhhmmmmm
 
I get a Winchester with a pre-64 action. 30-06 is a great all around caliber. I have a Rem Sendaro in .300 Win mag. I've killed several elk with that gun. It's pretty heavy though.

Sako's are great but they are high. You really can't beat a pre 1964 action. I have several guns based around it.
 
They are great. I'm partial the the Leopold diamonds myself. I really like the Leopold rings no matter what scope you mount. Be sure to get the scope as low as possible.
 
oubeta said:
They are great. I'm partial the the Leopold diamonds myself. I really like the Leopold rings no matter what scope you mount. Be sure to get the scope as low as possible.
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Leopold has always been my choice. The reason i was considering bushnell is to cut the cost a little bit. I used a leopold on my sniper rifle (compitition grade) and love it to death....i am just not sure the cost outweighs the benefits for a hunting rifle.


Think i should take the plunge and splurge on a more expensive set of optics??
 
Check out a SWIFT brand. I have a huge one on one of my .300 Ultras. I love it. It was about $400 or so and is like a 24 power or so. I have all my long range 800yards+ scopes done by a gunsmith. I get them shimmed so @ 800yards I'm not close to top-out on the dial. It's good to keep the dails as close to center in/out as you can. Tasco has really stepped up their product line also. Not my first choice, but they will do I guess.

Savage makes decent hunting rifles also at a great price. I have one of their tactial models. Shoots tight groups with factory loads.

The browning a bolt is a good gun also. I like the fine wood vs. the composite stocks. Check out a .300 WSM or Ultra.

I would avoid the boss system unless you are an avid reloader. they are loud as hell. Almost to the point of needing hearing protection while hunting. If you really think you need it, get the one without the brake or one where it can be closed up. trust me, a .300 mag will kill your ears with the boss.
 
oubeta said:
Check out a SWIFT brand. I have a huge one on one of my .300 Ultras. I love it. It was about $400 or so and is like a 24 power or so. I have all my long range 800yards+ scopes done by a gunsmith. I get them shimmed so @ 800yards I'm not close to top-out on the dial. It's good to keep the dails as close to center in/out as you can. Tasco has really stepped up their product line also. Not my first choice, but they will do I guess.

Savage makes decent hunting rifles also at a great price. I have one of their tactial models. Shoots tight groups with factory loads.

The browning a bolt is a good gun also. I like the fine wood vs. the composite stocks. Check out a .300 WSM or Ultra.

I would avoid the boss system unless you are an avid reloader. they are loud as hell. Almost to the point of needing hearing protection while hunting. If you really think you need it, get the one without the brake or one where it can be closed up. trust me, a .300 mag will kill your ears with the boss.
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What's your take on the ruger all weather's? For some reason i keep leaning toward ruger. I used to own a mini-14 and loved it to death. Never failed me. Are their hunting rifles of the same quality?
 
Bro, just get something with the guy you reffered to me. I finally bought a snipper riffle from this guy and I'm totally satisfied. I'm sure he could build you something at a decent cost according to your specification. :)
 
I've killed many deer with the Ruger all weather. My hunting buddy has used one for years with a cheap ass scope on it. Last season he made a 400 yard standing shot with it in 30-06. I wouldn't have taken the shot with my .300 standing. I think it is about he ugliest gun I have ever seen. I'm not a big fan of Rugers, minus there six shooters. I'd go with the Win pre-64. Go try them out. Feel how loose the Rugers action is. The 30-06 is a great caliber. Probably got he most deer kills behing the 30-30, but it is a little out dated IMO. there are faster flatter calibers out there for the long shots.
 
manny78 said:
Bro, just get something with the guy you reffered to me. I finally bought a snipper riffle from this guy and I'm totally satisfied. I'm sure he could build you something at a decent cost according to your specification. :)
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You went with Keith? He's good shit, eh?


For a hunting rifle, keith would be a little too pricey. He did the work on my sniper rifle though....he is the best in the business here in Canada IMO.
 
Ever though of a used rifle?

Check out ar-15.com's classifieds. I've ordered about 20+ guns from those guys. Always in great shape. They have tricked out rifles that they get tired of. I've sold a rifle on there and bought it back a year later and sold it again//lol

People just get tired of their toys and sell them to fund another one. Also www.gunbroker.com is a good place to buy. they great prices.

Anybody played with a .300 whisper?
 
Rugers are very durable. Remingtons are the most accurate. Savage may be the best value. Scope makes more difference than gun manufacturer.

I'd recommend a 7mm Mag....flatter shot, more punch, and easier to resell these days. Magnums are in. Make sure the optics are very clear and get good rings. I would not get a real pricey scope if you hike in rough country....too easy to bang the scope on a rock. Gives it character though.
 
Magnums are out!!
At leat the long action ones. The craze today is the new short action mags. .300 WSM is great.
 
oubeta said:
Magnums are out!!
At leat the long action ones. The craze today is the new short action mags. .300 WSM is great.
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You ought to try thinking while you write bro. Does wonders for the logic.


BTW....the .338/378 Weatherby has taken over for Colorado elk hunting. Not exactly short action since it is the largest commercial case in North America.
 
Testosterone boy said:



You ought to try thinking while you write bro. Does wonders for the logic.


BTW....the .338/378 Weatherby has taken over for Colorado elk hunting. Not exactly short action since it is the largest commercial case in North America.
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I hunt in CO every year. I have 2 6X6's in the books. That big of gun isn't practical at all. there is no need for bigger than a .300 win mag or 7mm or 30-06 for that matter. That is an overkill for sure. That cailber has faded like no other. I used to own one. By the way what grain bullet were you shooting and how many g's of powder were you using in you reloads? I bet you were not using factory loads,,right? If you were you wre wasting the full potential of that gun. there is only one company that makes loads that really do that caliber justice. What primers etc? The .338 is a popular gun, but check out he ballistics on it. It just doesn't make sense. Granted the gun doesn't kick much, because of the slower buring powder, but the short action calibers are all the craze right now. Low recoil, long distance is in.
 
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Alright lads, let's try to come to a conclusion cause i have money burning a hole in my pocket.

Caliber: The concensus seems to be that 30-06 is the most versatile. I think I'll go with it.

Rifle: It's either a Remington 700 ADL synthetic with detachable mag or a Ruger 77 all weather.......which one?

Scope: This is where i am stumped. Cheap or expensive? What brand and model?
 
guards said:


You went with Keith? He's good shit, eh?


For a hunting rifle, keith would be a little too pricey. He did the work on my sniper rifle though....he is the best in the business here in Canada IMO.
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Yup I bought his "Precision model". Pricey indeed but hell, that beats anything I tried before. Even the good ol' Parker Hale...
 
I didn't read through your links so I don't know if you have this one down but have you considered a 7 mag as an option. One of me best friends hunts whitetail with it and it is plenty big to drop a moose. Someone said a 22-250......? You would have to put 3 rounds in the mooses head to drop him. LOL Bam
 
manny78 said:


Yup I bought his "Precision model". Pricey indeed but hell, that beats anything I tried before. Even the good ol' Parker Hale...
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Anything beats a C3 parker-hale.....piece of shit IMO.

He made my Rem700 custom......mostly stock work with a tricked out mechanism and specialized barrel.


You can't go wrong with milcun.
 
Bam Bam said:
I didn't read through your links so I don't know if you have this one down but have you considered a 7 mag as an option. One of me best friends hunts whitetail with it and it is plenty big to drop a moose. Someone said a 22-250......? You would have to put 3 rounds in the mooses head to drop him. LOL Bam
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The only problem with a 7 mag is that it is expensive to hit the range with. They are almost 2 bucks a round! Even if you reload the fuckers yourself.

22-250 for moose would just make him mad OR the moose might just look at you and laugh:)
 
Between a Ruger and a Remington, I'd take the Remington. Of course I own almost all Remingtons and I'm an accuracy nut being a former competitive rifle shooter.
 
Y_Lifter said:
Hitting a target depends on your abilities and your scope right?
Why go cheap ?
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Very true
 
manny78 said:


dont you already have a snipper riffle in .308 ? Why not use it ?
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My sniper rifle isn't very well suited for hunting. I would feel very nervous bringing it out on a long hike for fear of banging the scope etc.

I would rather hunt with a 1500 dollar rifle than a 5000 dollar rifle.....I wouldn't cry that much over a broken scope that cost 300 bucks but i would be REAL pissed if i broke my 2000 dollar optics just out hunting deer.
 
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