HELP EMERGENCY Does Nolvadex help with acne?

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HELP EMERGENCY Does Nolvadex help with acne?

Im on 1 cc Sus 250, 400 EQ, 400 Deca a week, on my 5th week, just had a SEVERE acne outbreak on my face only, its so weird even my lips, and nose, any ideas on what to do I cant go to work tomorow thats how bad it is. Please give some advice thanks

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Your acne is largely being caused through an estrogenic route,as estrogen can influence an increase in sebacious gland oil production.Nolvadex is a mixed estrogen agonist/antagonist,meaning it acts as an anti-estrogen in certain tissues,and AS an estrogen in others.A better bet for you would be the use of an anti-aromitase such as liquidex/anastrozole,as they will down-regulate the PRODUCTION of circulating estrogen in your system and lower overall levels through decreased enzymatic conversion of androgen to estrogen.

 

[nandi12]

Your acne is largely being caused through an estrogenic route

Hmmm... A much more likely cause is all the androgens you are adding to your body. Arimidex will probably not affect it much, but it could theoretically worsen it by raising your free test levels (since less test is being converted to estrogen).

 

[gearedup50]

Nolvadex or arimidex will both help greatly, anyone who has tried this will know it to be true!

 

[nandi12]

Acne has been a reported side effect of aromatase inhibitors:

http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cach.../006/0325/0060325.pdf++anastrozole+acne&hl=en

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

LOL,funny but anastrozole is used by myself,as well as every drug-using BB that I know of,to REDUCE our acne,particularly during post-cycle clomid therapy,and it's been doing one hell of a job at it.Sorry buddy,but you,as well as the study,are wrong on this one.

 

[supertech69]

Huck, How is it that you know so much scientifically about this stuff? Does your profession involve AS? It amazes me with these type answers that you give, they are very specific. You are the man! Huck is the "Yoda" of Elitefitness. Keep 'em coming!.......Supertech

 

[nandi12]

Sorry buddy,but you,as well as the study,are wrong on this one.

It would benefit us all if you would present some data or research to support your claims, rather than simply dismissing studies that refute your claims. I'm interested in knowing how it could possibly work, or even if it really does.

 

[gearedup50]

Like I said anyone that "has tried this" will know it helps, I wasn't referring to studies as I don't often I like to go by real life results which is what I was reporting! If all you are going by is a study I suggest you try using liquidex or nolvadex during a cycle/post cycle and you will noticably see reduced acne and be very pleased!

Why is it that everyone must have a study before they beleive something? I personally like to go on real life results from me or my friends rather than going by a study from someone I never met, don't know and have no idea how they performed the study or how accurate they were and how it relates to bodybuilders!

If you wantt a study here it is its called gearedups study on the benefits of reducing acne by reducing estrogen and the conclusion is that it works! If you thin about it the results of the people on here are a study so take it for what its worth or don't but don't totally knock something until you have tried it yourself!

Acne has been a reported side effect of aromatase inhibitors:

http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cach.../006/0325/0060325.pdf++anastrozole+acne&hl=en

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Nothing is refuting my 'claims',rather my(and everyone I have seen actually try it) RESULTS,which irregardless of what 'data' you may present,tell the whole story.Rather than relying simply on what you have read,why not try it yourself then render a decision based on real world results.I say that speaking from experience,as I have made that mistake(and still do from time to time,lol)of relying too heavily on scientific data,which doesn't always correalate with bodybulders taking in massive amounts of aromitizable androgens.Just a thought.

 

[nandi12]

I actually have tried nolvadex and arimidex in different cycles and have never noticed any effect one way or the other.

If I were suffering from acne, I would not use a drug that had the potential to make the problem worse, especially when there is no scientific evidence it could help.

Here is another study, this one in men. I guess it is wrong as well.
Sigh...

Br J Clin Pharmacol 1998 Feb;45(2):141-6

Hormonal effects of MPV-2213ad, a new selective aromatase inhibitor, in healthy male subjects. A phase I study.

Ahokoski O, Irjala K, Huupponen R, Halonen K, Salminen E, Scheinin H.

Department of Pharmacology and Clinical Pharmacology, University of Turku, Turku University Central Hospital, Finland.

The salient passage is:

"The drug was well-tolerated and the adverse events were mild or moderate including hot flushes, mild vertigo, nausea, acne and gastrointestinal discomfort."

 

[gearedup50]

Well I guess your study disproves ALL THE ACTUAL RESULTS from bodybuilders on this board and others!

Like huck and I said scientific results from studies aren't always right for bodybuilders when they are taking steroids!

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

LOL,again,another study that has no relevance to drug using athletes,but I can see you already have your mind made up,so it's quite simple,do as you wish,myself and everyone I know of will continue doing what we know WORKS,hehheh...

 

[nandi12]

Well, I'm curious how one could arrive at the conclusion that estrogen causes acne in the first place. I have never seen this theory before. All the scientific evidence points to the opposite conclusion.

To quote from "Goodman and Gilmans Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics", 8th ed, p 1394, (a standard med school pharmacology text):

"Acne is a feature of puberty in both sexes, and androgens seem to be the essential factor, operating through stimulation of sebaceous glands. Treatment with estrogen is effective in both sexes by suppressing gonadatropins and gonadal androgen secretion, but its usefulness in males is obviously limited"