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Help designing a cycle
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Danno said:
Ok, take clen every day, winstrol every day, dbol every day, fina every other day and sustanon a couple 3 times a week. Do this until you run out of everything. Repeat.
Now, why don't you tell us what your goals are, stats are, how much you have, what YOUR plan is for the cycle, and then we'll help you from there. Do a search, read the newbie FAQ. This is all outlined.
-B
I'm not looking for how to use the products. I'm looking for some info on how to put them together in order to maximize results. For example I know there are several theories people discuss such as frontloading. Several people look to andy13 to design a cycle because he has much knowledge chemically. I am looking for something more along them lines. Wk 1-10 sus Wk 1-5dbol etc.
Silent Method
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Please tell us how you put the myriad of variables involved in training and diet together in a way to maximize your progress. Then we'll discuss cycles...Danno said:
Re: Re: Help designing a cycle
Read the guy's reply. He's not serious about this, and definitely not serious about doing it right, or he would have already provided a lot more extensive info. Hell, we don't even know how much of any product he has, much less if he knows the difference between fructose and dextrose.
-B
Silent Method said:
Read the guy's reply. He's not serious about this, and definitely not serious about doing it right, or he would have already provided a lot more extensive info. Hell, we don't even know how much of any product he has, much less if he knows the difference between fructose and dextrose.
-B
ok brainiacs. When knowledgable people go to ask andy13 for example, to put together a cycle for them does that mean they don't train or diet or know the difference between the supplements? NO! It means eventhough they may be knowledgable, they choose to seek out additional help from people such as andy who have a chemistry background to offer different opinions. I didn't post my stats because I know the amounts that are correct for my body, I'm only interested in the start and stop time of the various products in order to maximize effects of each steroid. I'm not knowledgable about the half-lifes, frontloading, etc. thus I'm seeking out additional help. So if you don't know, then mind your own business.
barnes3
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ok... all the following will depend on how much you have of each and can be adjusted (as to your previous experience and dosages), but in general you will want something like this:
1-10 Sus 500mg
1-6 Dbol 30mg ED
1-12 Anavar 30mg ED
6-12 Winstrol 50mg ED
Clen 2 weeks on/2 weeks off
10-16 Fina 75mg EOD
Don't forget to use HCG or Clomid 3 weeks post Fina.
hope this helps...
barnes3
1-10 Sus 500mg
1-6 Dbol 30mg ED
1-12 Anavar 30mg ED
6-12 Winstrol 50mg ED
Clen 2 weeks on/2 weeks off
10-16 Fina 75mg EOD
Don't forget to use HCG or Clomid 3 weeks post Fina.
hope this helps...
barnes3
barnes3
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Re: Re: Help designing a cycle
Maybe you should re-read the Newbie FAQ..
Direct quote from Newbie FAQ by Quadsweep:
"6. Please keep flames to a minimum: People come to the board to ask questions and get help. Flaming someone takes away from the quality of the board and the posts it contains. Sometimes it is funny and sometimes it is warranted, and deserved! Use commonsense"
barnes3
bebaumax said:
Maybe you should re-read the Newbie FAQ..
Direct quote from Newbie FAQ by Quadsweep:
"6. Please keep flames to a minimum: People come to the board to ask questions and get help. Flaming someone takes away from the quality of the board and the posts it contains. Sometimes it is funny and sometimes it is warranted, and deserved! Use commonsense"
barnes3
Re: Re: Re: Help designing a cycle
Good job. Now, keep scrolling down to Warlobo's post:
"3. Research you question BEFORE you post. Been seeing many of the same questions - most of which have been discussed at length. See item 1.
4. When you ask a question, be as detailed as possible. We do not know you, what you have done in the past, what you look like, what you are currently doing, or your goals. Help us help you. Do not expect to ask a one-line question and get a book of answers in response. "
The point being here is that, sure, the advice you gave the guy could be legitimate, but all you know he doesn't even have enough Sust to run it that long. If he's never cycled before, why does he necessarily need to use HALF the gear listed? If this is his 6th cycle, is 500mg sust250/wk going to be enough to give him any kind of quality gains? I consider just answering this question being partially irresponsible in just that if you know enough to answer, you should know enough NOT to answer.
-B
barnes3 said:
Good job. Now, keep scrolling down to Warlobo's post:
"3. Research you question BEFORE you post. Been seeing many of the same questions - most of which have been discussed at length. See item 1.
4. When you ask a question, be as detailed as possible. We do not know you, what you have done in the past, what you look like, what you are currently doing, or your goals. Help us help you. Do not expect to ask a one-line question and get a book of answers in response. "
The point being here is that, sure, the advice you gave the guy could be legitimate, but all you know he doesn't even have enough Sust to run it that long. If he's never cycled before, why does he necessarily need to use HALF the gear listed? If this is his 6th cycle, is 500mg sust250/wk going to be enough to give him any kind of quality gains? I consider just answering this question being partially irresponsible in just that if you know enough to answer, you should know enough NOT to answer.
-B
Danno said:
Correct. Now, you keep leaving out the fact that I don't think I've ever seen Andy just go and design a cycle based on a list of, "I've got all this" for someone without getting detailed information from that person. You STILL have not provided one piece of pertinent information to doing a cycle, other than the fact that you can get some gear and that you want to do one. If you think Andy's going to do a cycle based on the information you've provided, why don't you PM and ask him, then? Have him post it here to this thread. I'm sure he'll jump right on it.
-B
wartime100
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Try this- Fina weeks 1-6@75mg ed
dbol weeks 1-6 @50 mg ed
Sust @ 500 mg weeks 1-10
anavar weeks 1-12 @40mg ed
winny weeks 6-12@ 50 mg ed
arimidex .5 mg ed
clomid starts week 13
Clen starts week 13 ,2 weeks on ,two weeks off.
Dosages will be more or less depending on previous cycle experience.
dbol weeks 1-6 @50 mg ed
Sust @ 500 mg weeks 1-10
anavar weeks 1-12 @40mg ed
winny weeks 6-12@ 50 mg ed
arimidex .5 mg ed
clomid starts week 13
Clen starts week 13 ,2 weeks on ,two weeks off.
Dosages will be more or less depending on previous cycle experience.
barnes3
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Help designing a cycle
True... but in my answer to him, I gave him alot of "if" and "adjustments". My answer is a general idea of what he would need to do IF he had sufficient gear, money, cycle history, etc. I was not saying that he HAD to do what I told him.. I told him that this is what it COULD look like. Just so he could see what a typical cycle with those would be like.
I am not trying to have this be a battle of "whose knows best"..... From time to time I feel sorry for people that ask questions on this board because in their original posts they forget to add the neccessary things that are needed for other to help. I felt like things could of been handled better than they were. It was obvious the guy was new to the board, and thus should be give some slack (not a whole lot..). I just believe that everyone is allowed to have their "warning" so to speak.
peace
barnes3
bebaumax said:
True... but in my answer to him, I gave him alot of "if" and "adjustments". My answer is a general idea of what he would need to do IF he had sufficient gear, money, cycle history, etc. I was not saying that he HAD to do what I told him.. I told him that this is what it COULD look like. Just so he could see what a typical cycle with those would be like.
I am not trying to have this be a battle of "whose knows best"..... From time to time I feel sorry for people that ask questions on this board because in their original posts they forget to add the neccessary things that are needed for other to help. I felt like things could of been handled better than they were. It was obvious the guy was new to the board, and thus should be give some slack (not a whole lot..). I just believe that everyone is allowed to have their "warning" so to speak.
peace
barnes3
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help designing a cycle
Good points, you're a stand-up bro. I should take a break from the keyboard sometimes when I'm in a bad mood and just let someone else answer, usually someone always does. Who's to say any one of us hasn't needed our warnings over time? I know I have.
Maybe the guy will post some better info and we can really help him out. Otherwise, I think you and wartime100 have gone above and beyond and given him the best you can.
-B
barnes3 said:
True... but in my answer to him, I gave him alot of "if" and "adjustments". My answer is a general idea of what he would need to do IF he had sufficient gear, money, cycle history, etc. I was not saying that he HAD to do what I told him.. I told him that this is what it COULD look like. Just so he could see what a typical cycle with those would be like.
I am not trying to have this be a battle of "whose knows best"..... From time to time I feel sorry for people that ask questions on this board because in their original posts they forget to add the neccessary things that are needed for other to help. I felt like things could of been handled better than they were. It was obvious the guy was new to the board, and thus should be give some slack (not a whole lot..). I just believe that everyone is allowed to have their "warning" so to speak.
peace
barnes3
Good points, you're a stand-up bro. I should take a break from the keyboard sometimes when I'm in a bad mood and just let someone else answer, usually someone always does. Who's to say any one of us hasn't needed our warnings over time? I know I have.
Maybe the guy will post some better info and we can really help him out. Otherwise, I think you and wartime100 have gone above and beyond and given him the best you can.
-B
Silent Method
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If you're in a good position, through your experience and background, to utilize all six of those drugs in one cycle, I think it is reasonable that you should have presented some idea of how you'd have thought they would be best stacked. Simply listing 6 drugs and asking others to tell you how to take them, blind to who or what you are, is lazy and foolish.Danno said:
Ok, let me give this another try. I'm 24 years old. I've been cycling since I was about 20. I've used all of the following in various cycles: sust, dbol, fina, winny, deca, eq, clen, t3. My body seems to respond well so I don't use a whole lot in terms of dosage. The most I've used of the various steroids is sust 750mg/wk, Eq 400mg/wk, dbol 30mg/day, fina 75mg/day, winny 50mg/day. I'm 6'1" and weigh between 220 and 230lbs. My ultimate goals are like most peoples, gain muscle and lose bodyfat. I train at least 5 days/wk doing cardio at least 3 times/wk. I eat a high protein moderate carb low fat diet. My bodyfat is about 13%. I hope this helps. I apologize for my comments and not providing more information in the first place and I also want to thank those who took the time to try and help even if I didn't provide enough info to start.
barnes3
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Danno said:
Then you need to look at either wartimes post or my post of a cycle and pick which one you prefer... since you have knowledge in your previous cycles of what works best with your body then you should be able to decide for yourself which one works the best for you. Once you have done that.. we can all help you fine tune the dosages to your needs.
barnes3
Danno said:
Lots of info on this right here:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=179388&highlight=fina
Read my last post.
-B
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