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Help, bad mistake with clen! Need advice

StuartK

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I'd like to start by saying im an ignorant fool that knew nothing about steroids and performance enhancing drugs etc.

My story is, im 19 years old, spent the first 18 years of my life as obese and depressed, lost 40 kilo's (naturally) and was quite happy exept for the last 1 or 2 kilo's that just would not leave, i tried running twice as much and eating half as much but nothing happened.

I was so happy with my acheivement though, and others would come to me and ask how i did it, without being able to give them a good answer (because all i really did was eat rabbit food and run alot) i decided to do a personal training course and devote my life to helping others.

While on this course i was on hydroxycut trying to lose the fat that remained, but wasnt working. I started to speak to someone i was doing the course with and told him the story i have spoke about so far. He told me about Clen Buterol, which acording to him has tempory side effects and is similar to ephedrine which was in my hydroxycut (little did i know ephedrine was banned here in Australia and there was no ephedrine in my hydroxycut because it was replaced with something else so they could keep manufacturing it).

So i thought this was a great idea, so he gave me a very small box of powder and said, just get a little bit out and take it 5 times a week for 2 weeks, then have 2 weeks off. So i did, i used my keys to scoop the powder out, not much just about 5 millimeters of my key had clen on it but it was a fairly high mound.

2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 4 days into my 2nd cycle i masturbate and my sperm is clear, i stop clen immediately and notice my testicles have shrunk a bit, i have tried Tong Kat Ali (Longfolia, Longjack) and Tribulus, and to no avail has my testicles returned, but my sperm has come back mostly. I have heard of things like clomid but i have no idea how i could get my hands on it. I had chest pains when i was on clen but it went away, now 6 months later they have returned and im really scared. I'm 19, i'm a fool, i was ignorant, i had no idea what it was and the way it was described to me it sounded like taking 10 cups of coffee. I was fat and hated myself on the outside, now im not fat and hate myself on the inside. I did not lose weight on the clen, that happened after. I had became so stressed after that, the weight came off due to the stress, is that how the stuff is ment to work?! (joking)

Please could anybody offer me advice? Im in desperate need for assistance. Thank you.
 
StuartK said:
I'd like to start by saying im an ignorant fool that knew nothing about steroids and performance enhancing drugs etc.

My story is, im 19 years old, spent the first 18 years of my life as obese and depressed, lost 40 kilo's (naturally) and was quite happy exept for the last 1 or 2 kilo's that just would not leave, i tried running twice as much and eating half as much but nothing happened.

I was so happy with my acheivement though, and others would come to me and ask how i did it, without being able to give them a good answer (because all i really did was eat rabbit food and run alot) i decided to do a personal training course and devote my life to helping others.

While on this course i was on hydroxycut trying to lose the fat that remained, but wasnt working. I started to speak to someone i was doing the course with and told him the story i have spoke about so far. He told me about Clen Buterol, which acording to him has tempory side effects and is similar to ephedrine which was in my hydroxycut (little did i know ephedrine was banned here in Australia and there was no ephedrine in my hydroxycut because it was replaced with something else so they could keep manufacturing it).

So i thought this was a great idea, so he gave me a very small box of powder and said, just get a little bit out and take it 5 times a week for 2 weeks, then have 2 weeks off. So i did, i used my keys to scoop the powder out, not much just about 5 millimeters of my key had clen on it but it was a fairly high mound.

2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 4 days into my 2nd cycle i masturbate and my sperm is clear, i stop clen immediately and notice my testicles have shrunk a bit, i have tried Tong Kat Ali (Longfolia, Longjack) and Tribulus, and to no avail has my testicles returned, but my sperm has come back mostly. I have heard of things like clomid but i have no idea how i could get my hands on it. I had chest pains when i was on clen but it went away, now 6 months later they have returned and im really scared. I'm 19, i'm a fool, i was ignorant, i had no idea what it was and the way it was described to me it sounded like taking 10 cups of coffee. I was fat and hated myself on the outside, now im not fat and hate myself on the inside. I did not lose weight on the clen, that happened after. I had became so stressed after that, the weight came off due to the stress, is that how the stuff is ment to work?! (joking)

Please could anybody offer me advice? Im in desperate need for assistance. Thank you.

Well you called yourself a fool so I guess I don't have to. I don't know what your friend, and I use that term lightly here, gave you but you can bet your ass it wasn't clen. 5mg of clen could kill you fairly easily so that wasn't what you took. Clen is dosed in 100ths of a mg. Usually about 20mcg.
It's impossible to tell what to do because you don't even know what you took. Next time you want to cut fat I suggest you use a powerful over the counter formula like Thermorexin and work with that and a good diet before you start messing with drugs you don't even understand. Good luck bro.
 
If somebody does have powder clen and digital scales, could they please put there a key in it and scoop out the same amount of clen as i described (5 millimeters of the key and fairly high mound) and weigh it, so i know how much i took.

People talk about taking like 8 tablets of clen, by lookin at the pics those tablets look about the same size as what i had on my key...

I need help so bad, i dont know what to do.

Im not interested in losing more fat, my prioity only is my health.
 
Were you shaking like Disco Bob? If not, it isn't clen, or its mixed with a bag of talcum powder! The most noticiable side effect, and its very noticable, is the shakes. Usually kicks in 30-40 mins after dropping your Clen and lasts for about 5-6 hours with me. Your hands will tremor like crazy, its a complete pain in the ass.

If you are looking for Clomid, check out Elite's sponsor. They sell Clomid and Clen. http://www.ag-guys.com

UglyASS :p
 
Best advice go see a doctor and be honest!!!. Tell him what you took etc.... and also treat yourself with your body image etc..... sounds like your depressed just keep your head up and seek help
 
Look your so called friend screwed you. No one has any idea what you took, but we know it wasn't clen. Like ulter said if you took that much clen you would be dead. Or at the very least a good martinie shaker.
 
definitely does not sound like you were taking clen...try and take some pics if you have some left and post pics here to see if any bros know what it is.....
 
Come on, this has to be a joke.
I swallowed 5mm of a key of powder and my testicals shrunk.......hahaha
Well, their back now, so what do you need help so bad with at this moment??
 
benny1970 said:
Come on, this has to be a joke.
I swallowed 5mm of a key of powder and my testicals shrunk.......hahaha
Well, their back now, so what do you need help so bad with at this moment??


The chest pains are back not his nuts, but doesn't sound like clen to me either.
 
Are you sure your friend didn't give you a bag of white powder and tell you to snort 5 grams? Last I heard that was a fairly effective way to lose weight. :p
 
No the powder didnt make my tounge numb

5mg? I said 5mm, millimeters, as in get your key, get a ruler and measure about 5 millimeters from the tip backwards, thats how much i scooped, i dont have scales. I wasnt sure how much it weighed at all.

My testicles havnt came back, only my sperm.

I read on a forum that clen can make you infertile, or do something to your sperm. :(

No, i dont remember too many shakes.

Will ag-guys.com ship it legally to australia?

And would a doctor actually help me, is performanace enhancing drugs usually what a doctor knows about?

Thanks.
 
StuartK said:
No the powder didnt make my tounge numb

5mg? I said 5mm, millimeters, as in get your key, get a ruler and measure about 5 millimeters from the tip backwards, thats how much i scooped, i dont have scales. I wasnt sure how much it weighed at all.

My testicles havnt came back, only my sperm.

I read on a forum that clen can make you infertile, or do something to your sperm. :(

No, i dont remember too many shakes.

Will ag-guys.com ship it legally to australia?

And would a doctor actually help me, is performanace enhancing drugs usually what a doctor knows about?

Thanks.


Well if you didn't get the shakes it definetely wasn't clen.
You need to send a sample of that powder to a lab for testing to find out what you actually took.


RADAR
 
Fuck dood ... get off what you are taking. Wait a few days and see if you normalise. If things arent getting better. Ask your guy EXACTLY what the shit was that you got, and tell your a doc about it. I can GARANTEE you that you didnt take clen. Trust me .. you would know. Listen to Ulter and the rest of the peeps here. That much real, and pure clen on a key would seriously fuck you up.

To make a long story short. I had some homebrew liqued clen, in the same clear (unlabelled) vial as some liqued var. I thought that the clen was var and ended up taking 500mcgs of clen (thinking it was 50mg of Anavar). Anywhoo .. withing 15mins i was completely fucked! Vibrating so bad i couldnt function. I could see my heart actualy beating through my shirt, sweating, panicking, anxiety. The wrost was that i felt a sense of hyper-reality, like i was on an acid trip or something. I respond very easily to clen, and even over 100mcg was to much for me. Anywhoo ... i ended up at the ER, told them what happened, and had to get some tests on my heart, and some beta-blockers to normalise things. The doctor told me that in terms of heart work, .... I ran a marathon .. then after that, went on to run a triathalon. Moral of the story. This is a serious drug that can have some serious complications. Dont fuck around with it.

Mavy
 
Mavy, this was about 6 months ago, i only did it for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, then came off at the start of next cycle because of what was happening.

I've thrown the clen out, but im fairly sure i could get some more from the guy, obviously not for consumtion as im scared of the shit. If i could get it, who would i send it to? :(

Did that damage your heart mavy?
 
Know what? I have great friends...been hangin' with some of em' since preschool, and could count on them to help me move a body if need be. That being said, if any of them presented me with some unlabelled powder in a ziploc and told me to take it in doses determined by a rough measurement, I'd pass. I think sending a sample of the powder to a lab to get analyzed would be worth whatever expense was involved.
 
StuartK said:
Mavy, this was about 6 months ago, i only did it for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, then came off at the start of next cycle because of what was happening.

I've thrown the clen out, but im fairly sure i could get some more from the guy, obviously not for consumtion as im scared of the shit. If i could get it, who would i send it to? :(

Did that damage your heart mavy?

You do realize that Clen(buterol) 'Spiropent' is a anti-asthmatic drug like most of the "buterol's" which is a stimulant. Clenbuterol works the same way as ephedrine. However, unlike ephedrine, which is out of the body in a few hours, clenbuterol lasts for days. So you are on it 24 hours a day. No one chooses to be on ephedrine 24 hours per day, because it interferes with sleep, and so clenbuterol is more effective. Also, for the same effect on fat cells, clenbuterol accelerates heart rate less, so one can use effectively a higher dose. (Not a greater quantity, but a dose giving a greater effect on fat cells for the same effect on tachycardia.)

It results in severe downregulation of beta receptors, which moderate ephedrine use does not do. Thus, it is particularly effective only for a short time. Typically if using clenbuterol the dose would be about 100 mcg per day. It is not anabolic (or significantly so.)

Just like anything else, too much of a good thing is 'not good'. So, now that you have stopped the Clen - try to work on your nutrition and eat like the athlete you want to become, not like a rabbit. 70% of all the gains and losses in lifting/training come directly from the food you eat. You can take all the shit in the world and look the same if you haven't changed what you eat. So - if you really want some assistance with those last few pounds, get some help with the nutrition. Many people think they are doing all they can when it comes to training/nutrition, but there is always something to be learned...as you have come to know the hard way.
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"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
It seems most people here want to tell me how stupid I am, i thought calling myself stupid in my first post would stop the people just posting to call me stupid and leave nothing but the helpful and constructive people to post.

I'm going to speak to a doctor tomorow, i'll bring up HCG and Clomid and see what he thinks. But im more concerned about my heart, surgery at 19 yrs old seems like the worst thing i could think of.
 
StuartK said:
It seems most people here want to tell me how stupid I am, i thought calling myself stupid in my first post would stop the people just posting to call me stupid and leave nothing but the helpful and constructive people to post.

I'm going to speak to a doctor tomorow, i'll bring up HCG and Clomid and see what he thinks. But im more concerned about my heart, surgery at 19 yrs old seems like the worst thing i could think of.

I never called you stupid...I never call anyone stupid. Just trying to help you out. Hope you hadn't felt that way. I do feel you're doing the correct thing by seeing your doctor, especially as you are concerned about heart palp's and that your 'jewel's haven't come back in line for you. Remember when you post in a forum such as this you are apt to get a lot of reply, some good, some bad and you just have to take from it what you feel is best. Good luck and take care.
 
StuartK said:
It seems most people here want to tell me how stupid I am, i thought calling myself stupid in my first post would stop the people just posting to call me stupid and leave nothing but the helpful and constructive people to post.

I'm going to speak to a doctor tomorow, i'll bring up HCG and Clomid and see what he thinks. But im more concerned about my heart, surgery at 19 yrs old seems like the worst thing i could think of.



Dude! You're not stupid, you just learned a hard lesson, Quadsweep's Sister is right fine tune your diet save those stimulents as a last resort!


RADAR
 
Thanks for the support,

I went to the doctor just now, he gave me a heart examination, listened to it and checked my blood pressure, all seems fine.

Just had an ECG and wasnt anything to be alarmed about.

And i have never been so quick to show a guy my testicles, but he said there a fine size, im just paranoid, but im going for a sperm analysis.

My doctor hadnt ever heard of clen buterol though, but he is going to check it out.

I'm going for an echo scan on the 30th.

Something just doesnt feel right, i kinda want them to say there is something wrong and have a way to fix it :(.
 
StuartK said:
Thanks for the support,

I went to the doctor just now, he gave me a heart examination, listened to it and checked my blood pressure, all seems fine.

Just had an ECG and wasnt anything to be alarmed about.

And i have never been so quick to show a guy my testicles, but he said there a fine size, im just paranoid, but im going for a sperm analysis.

My doctor hadnt ever heard of clen buterol though, but he is going to check it out.

I'm going for an echo scan on the 30th.

Something just doesnt feel right, i kinda want them to say there is something wrong and have a way to fix it :(.

Settle the fuck down, Stuart! :redhot:

You're going through psychosomatic symptoms right now, and there is nothing physically wrong with you!

The doc checked your heart, stroked your nuts, gave you an ECG!

There's nothing wrong with you....chalk it up as a bad experience and move on....

If you are this frigid from some random clen I can't imagine how'd you react from the DNP blues! :eek2::xeye::rolleyes:





DIV
 
Im quite anti drug, quite anti chemical and i want to live my life how it was ment to lead. (Not saying anything bad about the people here that do these chemicals safely with minimal side effects)

Just when i heard what clen really was, it was like being told i had done something i really didnt want to do.

Your probably right, but when it comes to one's health, i hardly think im over reacting to get the best possible solution to what ever problem may exist, i'll just have to do a thougher search to find one first.

The heart keeps me alive, the testicles are my reason for being aliving...if it was my little toe, i wouldnt care too much. But i'm too young to risk my health, im 19! But thats not saying anybody is too young or old to risk there health. I hope to become the best personal trainer one day. The healthiest, im person trainer one day. I just hope i didnt kill my dreams. Fuck, i just felt a tear...
 
StuartK said:
I just hope i didnt kill my dreams. Fuck, i just felt a tear...

RU fuckin' serious, nugga?

If you're sheddin' teardrops and closed caskets over some clen, you might as well close the book and die right now....

Every day you're exposed to toxins in the air that you breathe that are alot worse than clen, pesticides in your fruits and vegetables, chemicals in your meat products........and you're worried about some random clenbuterol? :insane:

Get a grip, Stu.....

Life goes on.........






DIV
 
StuartK said:
Im quite anti drug, quite anti chemical and i want to live my life how it was ment to lead. (Not saying anything bad about the people here that do these chemicals safely with minimal side effects)

Just when i heard what clen really was, it was like being told i had done something i really didnt want to do.

Your probably right, but when it comes to one's health, i hardly think im over reacting to get the best possible solution to what ever problem may exist, i'll just have to do a thougher search to find one first.

The heart keeps me alive, the testicles are my reason for being aliving...if it was my little toe, i wouldnt care too much. But i'm too young to risk my health, im 19! But thats not saying anybody is too young or old to risk there health. I hope to become the best personal trainer one day. The healthiest, im person trainer one day. I just hope i didnt kill my dreams. Fuck, i just felt a tear...




StuartK feel free to mail me as i deal with members who have a rough tim running gear & such and i've been in the game for over 35 yrs!

[email protected]
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
That's pretty nice of you. Seems this guy is reaching out for some support. Good for you, lending a hand.

The guys is definitely spooked......Hopefully RADAR can calm him down.



DIV
 
Stuart I went through the same thing as you. I abused some ephedra and had much similiar expierence. Turns out I just aggravated my mitral valve prolapse (MVP can be hard to diagnose and really doesnt have to be cause it just something you have to live with and take antibiotics befor the dentist visits, you can ask your doctor about this it may explains things for your case but dont read up on symptoms because you may wrongly diagnose yourself) wich I didnt know I had. The worse thing I did was read stuff on the internet all day thinking I had this and this and taking on those symptoms. I saw several doctors including an internist. They told me I was fine just stressed my heart some and now Im making it worse by assimalating problems I didnt have. What I had was an agorophobia/hypochondria. The doctor wanted to put on on xanax so I would come down because my anxiety was arrgragating my chest pain wich I thought it was me dying. I held my heart all the time. Took my blood pressure too much. Thought I had ruined my hear for good etc. WHen I finally got ove the FEAR and realized Im gonna be around for a while things got MUCH BETTER. Take a deep breathe you didnt do anything to yourself but a little strain. You will live! People have made it through ingesting much worse things and are ok. Eat right, be happy and laugh. Plus excuse my spelling and general layout of this post but just wanted to tell you that "Every little thing is gonna be allright"
 
DIVISION said:
Settle the fuck down, Stuart! :redhot:

You're going through psychosomatic symptoms right now, and there is nothing physically wrong with you!

The doc checked your heart, stroked your nuts, gave you an ECG!

There's nothing wrong with you....chalk it up as a bad experience and move on....

If you are this frigid from some random clen I can't imagine how'd you react from the DNP blues! :eek2::xeye::rolleyes:





DIV
The DIV-man's post is right on the money.

And if I may expound on this point; what I find as strange is that the doctor’s findings—which were essentially that everything is fine, didn’t calm you down enough. A medical doctor examined your heart and told you that “all seems fine” and that there is nothing to be “alarmed about” yet something still “doesn’t feel right” to you. It’s almost as if you wanted the good doctor to tell you that something is wrong, which might mean you are seeking the wrong type of professional help. Maybe talking with someone with Radar’s experience can help—I hope so, but you might also consider a psychiatrist or psychologist if you prefer a drug-free solution.
 
Cheers radar,

Nomad - What you are saying is so close to what i do. I dont have a blood pressure kit, but i am always holding my heart (I had to take my hand off to type this).

I'll be going back to him for the written report on my Sperm Analysis and ECG in the near future, i'll bring up the MVP.

If it is an MVP, you say i have to live with it? Does it get better in time? Or any form of treatment for it? Our symptoms sound very similar.

One more thing. I read on the net about tribulus helping testicle atrophy (the doctor says there a decent size, but they feel looser and more hanging) and before seeing the doctor i ordered these.

http://www.bio-organics.com.au/prod_details.php?skucode=8942

Its tribulus 10,000mg capsules. They say 1 for general health a day, so i've considering taking more for 'recovery'. Is it possible to overdose on trib? If so what are the side effects? and will it help?

Thats $25.00 AU, not US, so its more like $12-$15 for you guys.
 
Stu,

Take nothing right now. You seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill. The last thing you should do is start taking more "supplements" because you are worried somethings not quite right.

Listen to your doc. Look at your diet, cardio etc, before resorting to taking anything else.

BTW, forget ordering Trex - Aussie customs will pick it up. Stay off everything until you get your body (head) right.
 
Stop taking clen?

I havnt taken it since November...but thanks for the amazing and helpful advice, i'll put that to good use, i might put it in my book of amazing advice, right next to where i wrote 'Dont piss into the wind'.
 
StuartK said:
Stop taking clen?

I havnt taken it since November...but thanks for the amazing and helpful advice, i'll put that to good use, i might put it in my book of amazing advice, right next to where i wrote 'Dont piss into the wind'.
:lmao: :silly:
 
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