interesting answers, too bad they are wrong. I felt the same way as all you, a little pissed off that I had fallen for the prohormones. I said never again but then 1-ad came out. I said what the hell, i'll try this one. I love it and recommend it to the extent that i'd say stay away from everything else. I'm living proof that the shit packs on muscle. I don't use any other supplements( other than a whey protein shake) and made great gains with shitty lifting since since May. But, if 1-ad hadn't helped, it definitely would have been my last prohormone type supplement. I gave up on all the other prohormones and this is the only one where i keep buying bottles. If you wanna get huge, then juice, but if ya want some solid "natural" looking gains give it a shot. What's another 50 bucks down the drain at this point?