Dude I have tried so many different pro-hormones and they are as strait waist. The only one that I got decent gains were Animal Stak by Universal Nutrition. But they were not that great compared to being on gear. Strength went up some what, became a little harder, a little more vascular but I was also on a decent diet. I have taken Andro Poppers (Pinnacle) shit, Paradeca (VPX) Strait Robbery, and Andros (Muscletech)...Dude these all suck ass. For the amount of money, I could have done two cycles. I am not for prohormones for some big gains, but if I had to choose it would be Animal Stak...Look out for some gear bro, but be safe about it.