Help a Newbie :)

[soldier5269]

Ok, so I just started a cycle about 4 days ago. Its Dbol, Deca, Test E.

30mg Dbol/day
240 mg Deca/test E Twice a week

I'm 5'9 140lbs....Yes, Yes I know I will be told that my diet could have changed that....but I've tried that in the past and other then my stomach hurting it doesn't seem to work.

I guess my question is when should I see gains. I keep seeing day 3-4 but I don't feel any different. Nothing major in the gym that I wouldn't have gained from already working out for a while. No weight difference. But I do seem hungry a lot (in which I fill my stomach with lots and lots of protein and carbs constantly)

My diet is 6 eggs and bowl of cereal everyday for breakfast with 10mg Dbol.

Soon as I get to work I try to get the earliest meal time and while I wait I snack. My diet changes but usually consist of as much meat as I can pack into my togo box. I'm going to start buying 2 meals as I can't get enough in there to last all night. During shift I take a protein shake....and I drink about a half gallon of milk a day. When I get home I work out, eat dinner, then protein shake before bed.

Should I be seeing gains already or is the hunger enough to say its started?

 

[Sherk]

Age?


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[soldier5269]

22

 

[soldier5269]

Also, how will I know if my stuff is legit? The company is GlobalOrganic for all of it. The dbol is blue circle pills with an impression of saturn on one side. Really tiny

 

[Hev]

Ok, so I just started a cycle about 4 days ago. Its Dbol, Deca, Test E.

30mg Dbol/day
240 mg Deca/test E Twice a week

I'm 5'9 140lbs....Yes, Yes I know I will be told that my diet could have changed that....but I've tried that in the past and other then my stomach hurting it doesn't seem to work.

I guess my question is when should I see gains. I keep seeing day 3-4 but I don't feel any different. Nothing major in the gym that I wouldn't have gained from already working out for a while. No weight difference. But I do seem hungry a lot (in which I fill my stomach with lots and lots of protein and carbs constantly)

My diet is 6 eggs and bowl of cereal everyday for breakfast with 10mg Dbol.

Soon as I get to work I try to get the earliest meal time and while I wait I snack. My diet changes but usually consist of as much meat as I can pack into my togo box. I'm going to start buying 2 meals as I can't get enough in there to last all night. During shift I take a protein shake....and I drink about a half gallon of milk a day. When I get home I work out, eat dinner, then protein shake before bed.

Should I be seeing gains already or is the hunger enough to say its started?

Let me give you some friendly advice, there are to many gaps here there needs to be a lot more information provided. First of all is this your first cycle? 2nd what are you taking for deca dick or no Ai mentioned.... What about your pct? I am going to be running a cycle almost identical to that soon and I got great advice here bro. You have to be precise in what you are doing as well as your goals.

 

[Texas Monster]

Stop right now before you hurt yourself. Lets reiderate STOP RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU HURT YOURSELF. SERIOUSLY THIS STUFF CAN FUCK YOU UP FOR LIFE NO JOKE!!!!!!!!

You obviously do not know enough about proper nutrition or training if you are not seeing results. Second if you have not been able to see results by doing it naturally what makes you think that hopping on gear will change your situation.

Lets make something clear. GEAR ONLY AMPLIFIES THE EFFECTS OF WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE NATURALLY. THEREFOR IF YOU HAVE SHITTY DIET AND TRAINING THEN YOU WILL GET THE SAME SHITTY RESULTS ON GEAR.

Now I can tell you do not have good training and or diet because you think that gains come proportionally to how much you eat. This is true but it is not the same as stuffing your fat ass and expecting to see slabs of lean hard mass come over night.

This shit takes a lot of time. YEARS AND YEARS of dedication and training must take place to put on quality pounds of rock hard mass.

My suggestion to you. Really think about what you are about to put your body through just to see no gains and even worse loose muscle mass and possibly be an hrt patient because you have no idea about the risks, side effects, or consequences of wreckless cycling yet.

You did not mention a pct, no AI, No caber for prolactin, No mention of on cycle support for your health and worst of all you are way to young to start with deca. You probably do not even know what HCG is yet for christ sakes.

Stop taking gear immidiatley. IT takes 4 weeks for the deca to clear so stop taking that asap. As for test continue the test for two more weeks then pct as such.

Clomid week 5
25/25/25/25

Think long and hard about what your actions. You need to just train naturally for the time beeing and until you know about proper diet and training then you can think about gear in another 5 years

PS The Way I know your diet and training is shit:
1) I drink half a gallon of milk a day:
REASON:
As humans we loose the enzymes in our digestive track to process milk effeciently when we age. Drinking milk gets you nowhere towards your gains in the time that you would like it to.
2) I eat 6 eggs and a bowl of cereal.
REASON:
This is just shit to begin with: High in processed grain and probably sugar, too high on your fat intake, and not balanced properly.
3) I weigh 140 and am 22 years old
REASON:
YOU ARE A FUCKING SPORTY SPICE WHO NEEDS TO EAT PROPERLY, TRAIN HARD, AND REST TO SEE RESULTS WHICH WILL TAKE YEARS IF NOT A DECADE TO SEE QUALITY RESULTS. NOT READ ABOUT HOW DECA CAN PUT ON 30 POUNDS ON A USER AND EXPECT THE SAME.

CASE END POINT
STOP TAKING GEAR.

 

[maccy]

Stop right now before you hurt yourself. Lets reiderate STOP RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU HURT YOURSELF. SERIOUSLY THIS STUFF CAN FUCK YOU UP FOR LIFE NO JOKE!!!!!!!!

You obviously do not know enough about proper nutrition or training if you are not seeing results. Second if you have not been able to see results by doing it naturally what makes you think that hopping on gear will change your situation.

Lets make something clear. GEAR ONLY AMPLIFIES THE EFFECTS OF WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE NATURALLY. THEREFOR IF YOU HAVE SHITTY DIET AND TRAINING THEN YOU WILL GET THE SAME SHITTY RESULTS ON GEAR.

Now I can tell you do not have good training and or diet because you think that gains come proportionally to how much you eat. This is true but it is not the same as stuffing your fat ass and expecting to see slabs of lean hard mass come over night.

This shit takes a lot of time. YEARS AND YEARS of dedication and training must take place to put on quality pounds of rock hard mass.

My suggestion to you. Really think about what you are about to put your body through just to see no gains and even worse loose muscle mass and possibly be an hrt patient because you have no idea about the risks, side effects, or consequences of wreckless cycling yet.

You did not mention a pct, no AI, No caber for prolactin, No mention of on cycle support for your health and worst of all you are way to young to start with deca. You probably do not even know what HCG is yet for christ sakes.

Stop taking gear immidiatley. IT takes 4 weeks for the deca to clear so stop taking that asap. As for test continue the test for two more weeks then pct as such.

Clomid week 5
25/25/25/25

Think long and hard about what your actions. You need to just train naturally for the time beeing and until you know about proper diet and training then you can think about gear in another 5 years

PS The Way I know your diet and training is shit:
1) I drink half a gallon of milk a day:
REASON:
As humans we loose the enzymes in our digestive track to process milk effeciently when we age. Drinking milk gets you nowhere towards your gains in the time that you would like it to.
2) I eat 6 eggs and a bowl of cereal.
REASON:
This is just shit to begin with: High in processed grain and probably sugar, too high on your fat intake, and not balanced properly.
3) I weigh 140 and am 22 years old
REASON:
YOU ARE A FUCKING SPORTY SPICE WHO NEEDS TO EAT PROPERLY, TRAIN HARD, AND REST TO SEE RESULTS WHICH WILL TAKE YEARS IF NOT A DECADE TO SEE QUALITY RESULTS. NOT READ ABOUT HOW DECA CAN PUT ON 30 POUNDS ON A USER AND EXPECT THE SAME.

CASE END POINT
STOP TAKING GEAR.

100% agree with this. Bro pick up a folk and put down the juice it seems you have jumped into this without proper knowledge and could cause you a lot more harm then good. Goto the nutrition section here and read around. I'm 100% ur diet is crap you are 140 which is very very light.

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[joeblow12345]

If you know your wrong then why are you doing it. Your going to harm yourself. Stop the steroids now. Your diet and training are the problem and steroids arent the solution.

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[soldier5269]

Ok so lets start with, I didn't realize I needed to include information on my post cycle, as I was simply asking how I would know if the Dbol would have kicked in already.

I meant oatmeal, not cereal...that was my bad.

From what I read on several places, here being one of them when I asked about it Milk was a good way to increase protein amount easily.

I've tried just changing my diet and working out, and it doesn't seem to work. I try and force myself to eat and all I get is a stomach ache. As I pointed out, Dbol has changed that so I've started eating every 2 hours. If eggs and oatmeal are a bad way to start the day, then please tell everywhere I read to wake up to that.

Deca has an age limit? I only started it because my friend suggest it.

HCG I know what it is, but I see several PTC's that don't include it....Clomid and Nolva seem to be what most people suggest.

And milk thistle is what I'm going to start taking to keep my liver healthy. I'm currently in Kuwait so I gotta do more shopping to find it...otherwise I'll just order it offline if I don't have it soon.

Can you please explain why I'm too young to take deca? This is my first cycle, and I thought all three were a bit much but I read where most people stop Dbol 4 weeks in as it is only used to boost until the deca and test E start up.

Goals, I want to put on roughly 20lbs after the water retention is gone. Will this cycle with a safe PCT not work?

And you are saying I should be seeing results already?

 

[soldier5269]

Also, Clomid I can pick up from any of the pharmacies around here so I didn't bother to buy it yet. And the guy that got me this stuff can get me the Nolva. I"ll ask about the HCG...

Do you think its ok if I stay on the Dbol and test E? I work out at least 4 times a week, and I've been eating like a horse. Maybe not the healthiest foods, but I do what I can for being in Kuwait.