HCG vs. Clomid

[Surgical]

HCG vs. Clomid...another side of the story

I know this has been covered on this board more times than any other subject, but I just wanted to give another side of the story. I've been off of my cycle for 8 weeks now. I was taking:

Winny- 150mg/wk
Var- 30mg. ED
Suspension- 300mg/wk
Primobolan- 300mg/wk
T3- 40mcg/ED
Clen- 200mcg/ED

I took this for the last 6 weeks of my cutting cycle

The beginning of my cycle looked like this for the first 8 weeks of a 12 week cycle:

Sustanon- 750mg/wk
Dbol- 50mg/ED
Deca- 600mg/wk

There was a 2 week overlap with the 2 phases of the cycle.

Ok, I went to see my doc 7 weeks after the contest to get my blood checked. My liver enzymes are a little elevated, and my test is low at 108 (normal is 200).

He said he's not worried about the liver enzymes, it's normal for them to still be elevated even after this long after my cycle is done. He prescribed me HCG 10,000 i.u. every week for 2 weeks, then 5,000 i.u. a week for 2 weeks. I asked him why not use Clomid to get my balls started again. He said it's too expensive and not as powerful as HCG to get testosterone going again. He said HCG should be started 4 weeks AFTER the cycle is over, depending on what you're taking. In my case, it was short acting test and winny.

This is a doctor who is a competitive powerlifter, athletes from around the world come to see him for his expertise, competitive bodybuilders included. He's on the cutting edge of nutrition, training. Things we hear about now, he heard about 6 months ago.

Just another side of the story for those who don't know what to use, either HCG or Clomid.

By the way, I took Clomid after my cycle was over for 4 weeks, and my test was still low.

 

[bigerisbetter]

The only thing about taking ot 4 weeks after is that HCG will supress you so it would slow your recovery.

 

[The Terminator]

Re: HCG vs. Clomid...another side of the story

He said he's not worried about the liver enzymes, it's normal for them to still be elevated even after this long after my cycle is done. He prescribed me HCG 10,000 i.u. every week for 2 weeks, then 5,000 i.u. a week for 2 weeks. I asked him why not use Clomid to get my balls started again. He said it's too expensive and not as powerful as HCG to get testosterone going again. He said HCG should be started 4 weeks AFTER the cycle is over, depending on what you're taking. In my case, it was short acting test and winny.

This is a doctor who is a competitive powerlifter, athletes from around the world come to see him for his expertise, competitive bodybuilders included. He's on the cutting edge of nutrition, training. Things we hear about now, he heard about 6 months ago.

Yikes, I don't know if I would listen to his advice. He is advocating you use hcg 4 weeks post cycle (of fast acting drugs at that...). This would be quite counterproductive to what you are trying to do (get your natural test producing on its own again...) If the hcg was to be used it would have been MUCH better served to be used alot earlier, not nearly this far post cycle. The high dose he also has you on is making it that much worse...

 

[Surgical]

But the goal right now is just to get my test back to a normal level.

He thinks that it could be the Deca that is still supressing my test. I've never used Deca before, and I used 600mg/wk for 8 weeks of my cycle. I'll never do that again.

What he's saying is to start the HCG after everything has cleared from your blood. So, starting HCG 4 weeks after the cycle is over would be right because the Winny is still active and in your bloodstream.

Where is Huck and Nelson Montana? I would like to hear their opinions on this.

 

[The Terminator]

I don't believe winny is active for nearly that long. Ideally the hcg would have been used during (in a preventative fashion), or at the end and perhaps just after last injection. but using it this far out is going to cause a temporary release of endogenous test but will then cause a possbile desensitization to your own LH. Remember hcg only mimics LH, it does not cause your body to produce its own. At this point clomid/nolva are much better alternatives (the only choices if it were me...)

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: HCG vs. Clomid...another side of the story

He said he's not worried about the liver enzymes, it's normal for them to still be elevated even after this long after my cycle is done. He prescribed me HCG 10,000 i.u. every week for 2 weeks, then 5,000 i.u. a week for 2 weeks. I asked him why not use Clomid to get my balls started again. He said it's too expensive and not as powerful as HCG to get testosterone going again. He said HCG should be started 4 weeks AFTER the cycle is over, depending on what you're taking. In my case, it was short acting test and winny.

This is a doctor who is a competitive powerlifter, athletes from around the world come to see him for his expertise, competitive bodybuilders included. He's on the cutting edge of nutrition, training. Things we hear about now, he heard about 6 months ago.

Just another side of the story for those who don't know what to use, either HCG or Clomid.

By the way, I took Clomid after my cycle was over for 4 weeks, and my test was still low.

Wow! That is completely contrary to my understanding of when and how to use HCG.

 

[Surgical]

He said NEVER use HCG or Clomid during your cycle, it will REALLY fuck you up. I mean, after all, he's done the research and knows first hand the results, both clinically and in lab results. He wouldn't be prescribing it if it didn't work that way, right?

He aslo prescribed me Nolvadex to take along with the HCG, 20mg/ED.

 

[The Terminator]

He said NEVER use HCG or Clomid during your cycle, it will REALLY fuck you up. I mean, after all, he's done the research and knows first hand the results, both clinically and in lab results. He wouldn't be prescribing it if it didn't work that way, right?

He aslo prescribed me Nolvadex to take along with the HCG, 20mg/ED.

I bolded the most important part of my last post. This is what you need to concentrate on now, and clomid and nolva are what will do that, not hcg...

 

[Surgical]

I'm so confused now...