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herdus33
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ok....so it can kind of overlap into PCT. I guess i should ask if it is ok to have one week in between HCG and when PCT starts. I am running an oral until the injectables clear and there will be one week of orals with no HCG then PCT starts as soon as the oral ends. IS THIS OK?
herdus33 said:
You got the right idea here bro.
Drop the hCG a week or two before the AAS clear the system (1-2 days for orals)
This allows your testes to resensitize to LH again and primes you for a quick recovery. You wont need the hCG for PCT.
-Pp
herdus33
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GUARDIAN said:
Ok? Well the stickies on PCT are a little contradicting? This is my first time actually using HCG. I am actually starting it a little late in my cycle but goin to run it the rest of the cycle and then this is where I get confused.
The first sticky says that HCG is needed for only 3 days @ 500iu a day.
This is from the second sticky:
Transition Phase: As the anabolic androgenic steroids’s begin to clear the system you enter the transition phase. During this time, you cease h.C.G. use, and begin tapering down the dose of your anti-estrogens. If you are using a drug with a long acting ester, like enanthate, then you would take your last shot of h.C.G. during your last shot of enanthate, since it has about a 2 week clearance time. If you’re ending the cycle with a fast acting oral steroid, then you would stop the h.C.G. about 2 weeks before your last oral dose.
Remember, h.C.G. acts in place of L.H. (leutenizing hormone) which is the hormone sent from the brain to the testes to make the testes produce Testosterone. During the two week period after you discontinue h.C.G. use, your testes are becoming re-sensitized to the body’s L.H. so your testes are ready to start producing naturally as soon as you begin Post Cycle Therapy.
herdus33 said:
no offense to the author(s) but i have recovered better running it into pct. u have 2 remember this is not an exact science and we r all individuals. the only way u r going 2 find what works best is to try different approaches followed up with blood work.
with regards to the blanket statement about the 2 weeks clearance time that is not true in general. it depends on the compound, dose, and injection frequency. take for example a relatively mild dose of 250mg of test/e injected e3d (or about 2X a week). It will take 3 weeks after the last shot (perhaps 4 depending on which referenced half life u use) for it to fall below 100mg. so u either can extend your "transition phase" another week or 2 with hcg and then stop it and begin pct or u can run hcg into your pct a bit.
The first sticky was written by Nelson, the second one was written me, hence my advice not to use hCG for PCT.
Figure the clearance time of your AAS, and make sure the hCG is clearing around the same time. There isn’t any reason to use it for PCT.
-Pp
Figure the clearance time of your AAS, and make sure the hCG is clearing around the same time. There isn’t any reason to use it for PCT.
-Pp
herdus33 said:
herdus33
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Thanks for the responses guys. I knew HCG was supressive so it is NOT meant for PCT. I will be the HCG for 3 wks after stopping EQ. I will also be running orals while I'm waiting for the injectable to clear the system. It just happens that I will run out of HCG after those 3 wks and have one weak left on my orals, THEN I will go into PCT.
Hey PP, I sent you a PM.
Hey PP, I sent you a PM.
jock52 said:
How far along in the cycle are you?
-Pp
herdus33
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jock52 said:
I would say to go ahead and run it now and continue up until you PCT like I am doing. Its practically the same situation I am in. I have seven wks of injects left followed by 4 wks of orals while the injects clear. Starting HCG now and stopping a wk before the orals are done. Its kind of a strange set up but that is the plan.
jock52 said:
Sure bro… sounds like your would be running the whole primordial stack. You will save some money just getting the Testosterone Recovery Stack.
If your already on week 11 then start with 1000iu for your first hCG shot, then 500iu each week after that for a total of 5 weeks.
You have to start with a higher hCG dose because your testes have become desensitized in the past 11 weeks.
-Pp
Primordial Performance said:
The thing is is that I dont have the hCG and where I'm looking at getting it from said they wouldn't have it available until May 9th due to being out of stock. So my thing is, is it going to be worth it to wait for it if I am going to be so close to being done? Also, with your Testosterone Recovery Stack, does it work nicely alongside Nolva?
It may sound contradictory but there's validity to both points. UsingHCG DURING the cycle gives the signal to the testes that they've never shut down. Personally, this is one reason why I prefer to keep cycles short and then use HCG to jump start the PCT. Neither method can be "proven" correct, though I believe the less of somethign you use, the more effective it continues to be.
Everyone is different. Go with what suits you. Experiment. And in time you'll find what works best.
Everyone is different. Go with what suits you. Experiment. And in time you'll find what works best.
herdus33
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Primordial Performance said:
Should I start with 1000iu's too. I'm in the middle of my 6th wk right now. I just ordered my HCG so I'm not expecting to be able to start it until my 9th wk (just incase there are some shipping delays). So should I do 1000iu the first wk and continue it for 7 more wks (thats 3wks after the last EQ shot) or just run 500iu a wk for 9wks?
Nelson Montana said:
I agee with you Nelson and I was going to say something to that effect, but you have been around much longer than me and your opinion carries alot of weight. Everyone is different and we all just need to figure out what works best for us (as an individual). But as is anything, there tends to be a norm with any cycle or drug use. For instance, a majority of people find a certain way works compared to another way. All about experimenting baby. Nicely put Nelson.
jock52 said:
Yes, you still want to get the hCG. If you dont run it on cycle, then you will still need it for PCT (or the last part of the cycle).
A low dose of Nolva would stack great with the Testosterone Recovery stack.
herdus,
You want to do your last hCG shot a week after your last EQ shot. You will be ready for PCT about 3 weeks after your last EQ shot, so you will be clear from everything by then.
-Pp
-Pp
herdus33 said:
Yeah you want the hCG to be cleared for a little while... to give your testes a few days to resensitize to LH.
-Pp
Primordial Performance said:
This is the reason I prefer the exact opposite approach. The testes may very likely NOT resensitize to LH very well at that point because of the very fact that you'd be suppressed, and to a degree, dependent on the HCG. And let's not forget, tolerance to HCG is pretty quick. So what happens if you no longer react it it? You're fucked.
Although there are some situations where using it during the cycle makes sense, I still prefer the simpler approach of using it sparingly as a jump start to PCT. It corrects the atrophy and allows the boys to start working on their own with the help of AI and supps.
I know people love to think that a drug assures results but there comes a time when the body must operate on its own. That is TRUE recovery. Very often what I see referred to as PCT is just drug therapy until it's time to do another cycle. That's why there are guys on HRT at age 30.
If cycles are kept under 10 weeks (which I believe is the maximum length to prevent permanent suppression. 6 weeks is best. ) then three consecutive days of 500 iu's of HCG is usually all you need to do the job. And its job is to just make sure your balls are operative so that recovery may begin. HCG is not a cure.
[Qhi UOTE=Nelson Montana]This is the reason I prefer the exact opposite approach. The testes may very likely NOT resensitize to LH very well at that point because of the very fact that you'd be suppressed, and to a degree, dependent on the HCG. And let's not forget, tolerance to HCG is pretty quick. So what happens if you no longer react it it? You're fucked.
Although there are some situations where using it during the cycle makes sense, I still prefer the simpler approach of using it sparingly as a jump start to PCT. It corrects the atrophy and allows the boys to start working on their own with the help of AI and supps.
I know people love to think that a drug assures results but there comes a time when the body must operate on its own. That is TRUE recovery. Very often what I see referred to as PCT is just drug therapy until it's time to do another cycle. That's why there are guys on HRT at age 30.
great thread lads,,excellent views,,,i am 5weeks into a 10 week cycle of test e 250mgs twice a week..if i was to take hcg three consecutive days,,when would that exactly be?
If cycles are kept under 10 weeks (which I believe is the maximum length to prevent permanent suppression. 6 weeks is best. ) then three consecutive days of 500 iu's of HCG is usually all you need to do the job. And its job is to just make sure your balls are operative so that recovery may begin. HCG is not a cure.[/QUOTE]
Although there are some situations where using it during the cycle makes sense, I still prefer the simpler approach of using it sparingly as a jump start to PCT. It corrects the atrophy and allows the boys to start working on their own with the help of AI and supps.
I know people love to think that a drug assures results but there comes a time when the body must operate on its own. That is TRUE recovery. Very often what I see referred to as PCT is just drug therapy until it's time to do another cycle. That's why there are guys on HRT at age 30.
great thread lads,,excellent views,,,i am 5weeks into a 10 week cycle of test e 250mgs twice a week..if i was to take hcg three consecutive days,,when would that exactly be?
If cycles are kept under 10 weeks (which I believe is the maximum length to prevent permanent suppression. 6 weeks is best. ) then three consecutive days of 500 iu's of HCG is usually all you need to do the job. And its job is to just make sure your balls are operative so that recovery may begin. HCG is not a cure.[/QUOTE]
herdus33
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So it seems like you are more fond of sort of a shock treatment. I will be starting my HCG mid-cycle. I am now thinking of trying this method:
-500iu mon,wed,fri
Skip two weeks
-500iu mon,wed,fri
Skip two weeks
-500iu mon,wed,fri
Skip two weeks
-Begin PCT
What do you think of this? I was thinking this would keep from building a tolerance to the HCG, keep the boys from atrophy while on, and allow them to resensitize to LH just before begining PCT.
Correct me if this does not sound like a good idea???
-500iu mon,wed,fri
Skip two weeks
-500iu mon,wed,fri
Skip two weeks
-500iu mon,wed,fri
Skip two weeks
-Begin PCT
What do you think of this? I was thinking this would keep from building a tolerance to the HCG, keep the boys from atrophy while on, and allow them to resensitize to LH just before begining PCT.
Correct me if this does not sound like a good idea???
Nelson Montana said:
It’s about balance and timing that makes the on cycle hCG approach work.
500iu for 3 consecutive days is not desirable because of hCG’s half life and clearance. A long-term protocol at this dose would certainly desensitize you.
200iu twice a week gives you the best of both worlds – Enough stimulation to keep testes active, without desensitization.
-Pp
500iu for 3 consecutive days is not desirable because of hCG’s half life and clearance. A long-term protocol at this dose would certainly desensitize you.
200iu twice a week gives you the best of both worlds – Enough stimulation to keep testes active, without desensitization.
-Pp
Nelson Montana said:
herdus33 said:
Its too much hCG shot too close together.
Since you waited 6 weeks, you will need a bit of "shock treatment" to get started. So start with one shot of 1000iu for the first week, then 500iu once a week untill the end of the cycle.
-Pp
