HCG for a 10 week test and eq cycle???

[pavlenko]

I am planning on running a 10 week cycle soon.
It looks like this
week 1-10 test-e 500mg per week
week 1-10 eq 500mg per week
week 8-12 privoron 50mg/ed
pct
week 12-16 first week clomid 100mg ed, following 3 weeks 50mg ed
I used this pct method before for test only cycle and it worked very nicely. Do you think I should get some HCG would it make a difference for my pct if clomid alone did the job fine last time?

I am 24, been lifting for around 4-5 years now. 5'9" 190lbs around 13% bf..have acouple cycles behind me...now just training for strength and lean gains = ) please I would like to hear some opinions regarding my cycle! Thanks

 

[downunder hunter]

HCG 2 x 250iu's a week wk 1-10 should keep the balls going and make it an even smoother PCT

 

[pavlenko]

thanks man! I was thinking the same thing just wanted to make sure with some fellas here = )

 

[pavlenko]

btw I never ran Eq before I hope it gives me that hunger and vascularity every1 talks about !! I am eating pretty clean already, wouldnt say my diet is the best but everything I put in me comes from natural sources...meat, fish, chicken, potatoes, veggies..besides my shakes afcourse )) which is just a plus

 

[downunder hunter]

My next cycle is my first run with eq too!! So i am hoping it gives me all those great benefits too.

Work on your diet man get it dialled in before you start your cycle!! You wanna get the best out of the cycle dude

 

[pavlenko]

yeah I know thats why im waiting to get all my shit together (not gear wise) even though I have everything on hand i am waiting until I really commit 100% into it like I want to

 

[Unit 2005]

Good cycle. As said run hcg 250 twice a week, id start from week 2/3 onwards, you will not shut down straight away from the above. Throw in a kickstart - dbol, anavar or test prop and then use from day one. better gains two as you wont see anything first 3 weeks on the above.

 

[d_rson]

I am planning on running a 10 week cycle soon.
It looks like this
week 1-10 test-e 500mg per week
week 1-10 eq 500mg per week
week 8-12 privoron 50mg/ed
pct
week 12-16 first week clomid 100mg ed, following 3 weeks 50mg ed
I used this pct method before for test only cycle and it worked very nicely. Do you think I should get some HCG would it make a difference for my pct if clomid alone did the job fine last time?

Couple things, you want to stop the EQ two weeks before the test. Which means either extend the test two more weeks, or back the EQ back two weels - however that would result in an 8 week EQ cycle which is a waste. Alot of bros will tell you that 10 weeks of EQ is a waste too, but if you are only looking for EQ to supply hunger and vascularity, it might work. I don't like the idea of using EQ only for that, because the increased hunger and vascularity you get from EQ is actually a side-effect of the negatives of EQ - thickening of your blood. Too bad you can't find something else to give you those - as you won't really see he anabolic effects of EQ until past 10 weeks. So just think about that - injecting 500mg of EQ every week just for increased hunger and vascularity. Maybe consider pushing your cycle out longer.

Also PCT should start 10 days afte last test pin, but make sure you have EQ backed out two weeks before the last test pin. And I'd add HCG during cycle. I'd run HCG at 250iu twice a week when you start to feel shrinkage (I don't until week 5), up to the last week of test pins, and in the last week of test pins, run 500 iu four times that week (two days apart). I did this my last cycle and I rolled into PCT so smooth and I felt awesome into PCT!!!

Lastly, I'd add AT LEAST one more compound to your PCT. HCGenerate, Sustain Alpha, Unleashed, Post Cycle. Or a couple. It won't hurt!!! These compounds help you get back your natural T, but they ALSO help you to keep pushing and even groing in PCT!!!

 

[pavlenko]

yeah im thinking about running test for 14 weeks and eq for 12 but this would make it a long cycle....I never ran anything past 10 weeks but i guess with the added HCG I should be fine recovering and the eq for 12 weeks will benefit the cycle better i guess. Thanks for the advice guys!

 

[downunder hunter]

I disagree with stopping the eq two weeks before. the ester isnt that much longer the enathate and it doesnt shut you down like say decca or tren to sufice stopping two weeks earlier!! it will actually help you coming into pct to have alittle bit of the eq still active! 10 weeks is not a waste. If you plan on having full recovery after your cycle and not blasting and cruising and being on HRT anything past 10 weeks is too much!!!! Start PCT 14 days after last pin, and why wait till your shut down to use hcg thats stupid imo. Prevent shutdown by using hcg from day one id your using a kickstart (which i would reccomend) or 2-3 weeks when the enth is fully active, remeber as soon as you inject it is active in your body. Alot of these guys running 16-20 week cycles of eq are on HRT already so dont listen to their advice if you plan on recovering! and the whole eq isnt anabolic till week 10 is b/s.

DH.

 

[d_rson]

I have to disagree. Because the EQ ester's half life is almost twice as long as the enth, the buildup in week 10 will be significant because he's pinning everyweek. You have to consider the length of the ester, as well as the potential build up - when he pins 500mg in week 10, there's still a ton of EQ in him already because of the long ester. While EQ might be less suppressive, it's still supressive, and I wouldn't want it tapering off from some high level while I'm in PCT. Makes no sense to me.

 

[downunder hunter]

I have to disagree. Because the EQ ester's half life is almost twice as long as the enth, the buildup in week 10 will be significant because he's pinning everyweek. You have to consider the length of the ester, as well as the potential build up - when he pins 500mg in week 10, there's still a ton of EQ in him already because of the long ester. While EQ might be less suppressive, it's still supressive, and I wouldn't want it tapering off from some high level while I'm in PCT. Makes no sense to me.

c'mon dude eq's ester is 14 days test enth is 10.5 days not that big a difference champ! Thats why pct would be started 14 days after last inject, I will let you know how I go in my next cycle and we will see if it will effect my PCT at all, im telling you now i dont think it will effect whatsoever, but we will see

 

[d_rson]

Not to hijack, but...Undecylenate is another name for undecanoate, which has a half-life of 16.5 days. I have seen EQ purported as 14 days but no idea where that came from. But you have to understand that this is not the length of time of activity, this is the half life. What that means is EQ takes about twice to three times as long to clear the body as test. There's more to it, but using simplism, if you inject 250mg of EQ, in 16.5 days you'll have 125mg, in 33 days you'll have 62.5mg etc. If you inject 250mg Test e, in 10 days you'll have 125mg, in 20days you'll have 62.5mg etc. By day 20, there's twice as much EQ left as test. And this does not include the buildup of the ester during the cycle.

If an ester's half life is 50% longer than another, that generally means that the compound will take about twice to three times as long to clear.

 

[downunder hunter]

Unless i see some hard evidence we will have to agree to disagree bro LOL anyways ive read articles and seen posts on here suggesting a little eq still active during pct will help.

if you could please dig up the studies where it shows this that would be great bro

 

[pavlenko]

very interesting information, I would also like to see some studies if why its perferred to run test longer than eq and eq longer than 10 weeks.....I am still a young guy 24 and dont plan on being on HRT till later in life and wouldnt want to compromise this by running longer cycles but if 4 weeks makes a big difference and I will have HCG on hand then maybe this will be sufficient enough to keep my PCT still smooth..anyways would like to hear more if any1 has more to add!!!

 

[downunder hunter]

10 weeks would for sure be the minimum to run eq bro

 

[d_rson]

10 weeks would for sure be the minimum to run eq bro

I guess this is my point. I'm not saying you won't see anything from 10 weeks of EQ, you probably will, but my question from the start to him was does he think it will be worth pinning EQ 10 weeks for the minimum results? You even say, 10 weeks would be min, so that means 10 weeks of pinning rsults in the minimally accepted results. Is it worth it then? And wouldn't a few mre weeks be the better way to go.

As for studies - this is a veterinary medicine. Don't think you're going to find much on human application. However, compare to test und. Test Und has the same ester, and it is used in HRT for one shot a MONTH. Yes, they give one shot a month and it lasts all month. The ester is long guys.

And having any supressive substance duing PCT doesn't make sense to me - for active recovery before PCT, yes, but there are better substances for that, but that's not PCT.

 

[downunder hunter]

Again, have you got studies bro that would be great! My buddy has eq for a great price so I thought I'd give it a run. I wont go over 10 weeks so this first run of it will really tell if its worth it or not. After this cycle i will leave the cycles even shorter 6-9 weeks. After 14 days eq wont be that suppressive anyways i'm planning on a long PCT following straight afterwards by bridge/sarms bridge. I doubt with the protocol i have planned I will have any problems recovering smoothly, the only question is am I going to see the effect I WANT from 10 weeks of eq, only time will tell. I do tend to feel gear kick in alot sooner and results plateua pretty damn quick for me so i think this would be the same for boldenone.

A few more weeks wouldnt be the better way to go as I am more concerned about full recovery!

 

[d_rson]

Again, have you got studies bro that would be great! My buddy has eq for a great price so I thought I'd give it a run. I wont go over 10 weeks so this first run of it will really tell if its worth it or not. After this cycle i will leave the cycles even shorter 6-9 weeks. After 14 days eq wont be that suppressive anyways i'm planning on a long PCT following straight afterwards by bridge/sarms bridge. I doubt with the protocol i have planned I will have any problems recovering smoothly, the only question is am I going to see the effect I WANT from 10 weeks of eq, only time will tell. I do tend to feel gear kick in alot sooner and results plateua pretty damn quick for me so i think this would be the same for boldenone.

A few more weeks wouldnt be the better way to go as I am more concerned about full recovery!

Long PCT with bridging - different story!

You could try front loading the EQ to get to buildup faster, but you might hit some sides (anxiety) due to this.

Again, experiment. If 10 weeks works, good. I've read way too many reports where people wished they would have run their EQ longer because it just started to kick in for them at 10 weeks.

 

[downunder hunter]

I know what your saying mate i have read those posts too! This first run really is an experiment and I hope it works out well for me LOL

A front load could be an option mate although like you said the anxiety sides I would like to steer well clear off!