Hcg clarification

[misguided03]

Hi,
I have been researching hcg and everything I have read says that your hpta does NOT regain normal function while using hcg it only forces hpta to produce test. It also said you will still experince a rebound / low point and proper pct should begin AFTER hcg had been discontinued. I am curious about those who have used and alternating views.

 

[Arabian]

We do HCG during our cycles to keep out test levels up! I always do 500 mgs per week of HCG during my cycles and I use HCgenerate! After for PCT I continue this however I add clomid at 50 per day. Works well for me however you have to see what fits you! IMO HCG and Hcgenerate are a must during your cycle and PCT! Best of luck to you!

 

[Zyglamail]

HCG replaces your own LH so just like external AAS means your body wont produce any same holds true for LH. Big difference however is that using hcg during a cycle it will keep the testes producing, which many claim is the main holdup on getting natty test levels back. Also using it sparingly (2x a week at 250IU) means that your system is not totally inundated with it the whole time since it has a short half life. Then continue hcg post cycle for a little bit until exo test levels wane and then stop using it.

The theory behind nolva/clomid is they block the E receptor making the body think its low on E as well as T so will ramp up production of T, but the results are mediocre at best and often times the sides undesirable. If you used HCG during your cycle I certainly wouldnt waste time on nolva/clomid post cycle.

 

[pdaddyII]

HCG replaces your own LH so just like external AAS means your body wont produce any same holds true for LH. Big difference however is that using hcg during a cycle it will keep the testes producing, which many claim is the main holdup on getting natty test levels back. Also using it sparingly (2x a week at 250IU) means that your system is not totally inundated with it the whole time since it has a short half life. Then continue hcg post cycle for a little bit until exo test levels wane and then stop using it.

The theory behind nolva/clomid is they block the E receptor making the body think its low on E as well as T so will ramp up production of T, but the results are mediocre at best and often times the sides undesirable. If you used HCG during your cycle I certainly wouldnt waste time on nolva/clomid post cycle.

You're claiming there's no need for clomid/nolva if hcg is used during cycle? Can you expand on this at all?

 

[Zyglamail]

You're claiming there's no need for clomid/nolva if hcg is used during cycle? Can you expand on this at all?

Let me turn it around and ask you to explain how clomid/nolva actually help?

Post cycle your testes havent produced test for weeks because they havent been triggered to due to your anterior pituitary gland hasnt produced any LH because your androgen levels are through the roof.

So how is clomid/nolva going to really help you?

The whole theor is that when not cycling, taking clomid/nolva compete with E at the E receptor making the body think E is low. Since E is one of the feedback mechanisms in test production the body will normally increase Test output a BIT in the hopes of raising E. Keep in mind this is when you ARE NOT on a cycle.

However, when on a cycle Androgen levels are high, so high that no amount of clomid/nolva is really going to fool your body into producing more so while on cycle its really only good for blocking the effects of having too much E due to aromatization.

So that brings us to post cycle. Your androgen levels are waning because you testes have been shut down and your anterior pituitary gland is also shut down. Neither have been needed to produce their respective hormones. Low test, generally also means low E because there is no T to aromatize, so you load up nolve/clomid and whats the result. Your body thinks there is even less E so it does what? The same thing its already trying to do, kick your anterior pituitary gland into producing LH which in turn triggers T production by the testes.

There isnt much we can do to trigger the anterior pituitary gland to release LH while on a cycle BUT we can take HCG, which mimics LH, DURING the cycle so that at least our testes are functioning sporadically while we are on cycle thereby making them a little easier to coax into producing post cycle.

 

[halfsjj]

Taking HCG while on cycle at 200/250 IU 3x per week will also keep the testes from shrinking. The dose will need to be significantly higher during the PCT (i.e.) 1000 IU every other day for 10/11 days.

 

[misguided03]

Great information guys really appreciate it

 

[Zyglamail]

Taking HCG while on cycle at 200/250 IU 3x per week will also keep the testes from shrinking. The dose will need to be significantly higher during the PCT (i.e.) 1000 IU every other day for 10/11 days.

Just my personal opinion, but if you have been using HCG during your cycle, I see no point in taking more, more frequently, post cycle. Doing so will just further delay your anterior pituitary gland from producing LH. 1000IU of HCG every other day is likely going to trigger consistantly abnormal high test levels which in and of itself will cause the anterior pituitary gland to stay shutdown.

At least at low dose 2x a week post cycle until exo androgens are gone, you will have some "valleys" where HCG is not in the system and the system will be able to "sense" low test levels and hopefully start to trigger some natural LH release on its own.

I would probably only do frequent high dose HCG post cycle (just during exo androgen fade) IF I had not been using HCG during the cycle.