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HCG... before cycle or with pct?
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swale, who is a very well known hrt doctor, prescribes it at 250-500iu 2x weekly all the way through the cycle, that way testicular atrophy does not happen in the first place. That is the most effective way to take it, especially if you run long cycles. basically your two options are, let your nuts die, then after months of them being DOA, try to bring them back from the dead....or two, keep them alive throughout your cycle
needsize,
2 questions:
1. what about the risk of test desensitization if you run it throughout the cycle?
and
2. what about just using it mid and near-end of the cycle (10wk cycle)?
I have been advised to use 500ius hcg at wk 5 and 10 at 500ius/day for 10 days, using 20mgs of nolva at the same time...
my 1st cycle: test e cycle (250 mg e4d for 10 wks)---
what i dont get is why so many people on the board swear i dont need it w/ a test e cycle...
help me please
2 questions:
1. what about the risk of test desensitization if you run it throughout the cycle?
and
2. what about just using it mid and near-end of the cycle (10wk cycle)?
I have been advised to use 500ius hcg at wk 5 and 10 at 500ius/day for 10 days, using 20mgs of nolva at the same time...
my 1st cycle: test e cycle (250 mg e4d for 10 wks)---
what i dont get is why so many people on the board swear i dont need it w/ a test e cycle...
help me please
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usc2001 said:
1.) Using 20mg/day of HCG while you are using HCG will prevent Leydig Cell desensitization.
2.) Using HCG mid cycle prevents the testes from getting TOO atrophied and the HCG at the end restores the testes to full size and function in peparation for PCT. HCG will inhibit the HP portion of the HPTA which is why you run a SERM like nolvadex or clomid for PCT for 3 weeks after the HCG. This will restore the hypothalamus and pituitary.
Using HCG at at a couple hundred MG EOD through the whole cycle has a lot of benefits. Keeping the testes working and proper size is just one. It really does a lot to combat some of the mood changes that come along with high androgen levels. It's also a miracle, for me, as far as maintaining normal libido and ejaculation time.
The idea is to use low doses frequently. The lydig cell desensitization is more a factor a mega-dosing rather than total HCG used over many weeks. The Nolva study is interesting, but still it's just one study. I wouldn't bet my nuts on it.
The idea is to use low doses frequently. The lydig cell desensitization is more a factor a mega-dosing rather than total HCG used over many weeks. The Nolva study is interesting, but still it's just one study. I wouldn't bet my nuts on it.
usc2001 said:
1, no it shouldnt, remember this approach is prescribed by one of the few docs that actually knows about this stuff. And it is small amounts you are shooint
And using it mid cycle and at the end, still allows hpta shutdown, why let that happen when you can use it all the way through and prevent it
Your cycle is pretty mild, and not super long, so hcg would likely help somewhat, but isnt 100% necessary
