HCG and PCT. Week or 2 week split up?

[musclehealth]

for my cycle which I have posted many times (dbol, test). What do you think would be better for me?

for my mid cycle HCG...

500 IU every day for 7-10 days + Nolva ed 7-10 days (jenetics post says)

or

500 IU (mon, wed, fri) 2 weeks + Nolva 20mg (mon, wed, fri) 2 weeks

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my post cycle PCT HCG...

start one week after last injection

or

start day after last poke.

1,000 IU (mon, wed, fri) 3 weeks long+ 20mg nolva
3 additional weeks of 20mg nolva

 

[shamrock11]

If jenetis said do it then you can be rest assured it's a good idea. He knows pretty well what he is talking about.

 

[musclehealth]

If jenetis said do it then you can be rest assured it's a good idea. He knows pretty well what he is talking about.

Thats what i thought. Can i still get some feedback from ya guys?

 

[musclehealth]

Thats what i thought. Can i still get some feedback from ya guys?

cmon guys. NO responses? I think I got the first part covered but not the last. Should I have the week gap in between starting the pct? or just start right away?

 

[help4john]

Start one week after last poke....test will carry you at least a week. You can also try HCG 1000IU's MWF for two weeks instead of ED injects....just a thought. Good luck!

 

[musclehealth]

Start one week after last poke....test will carry you at least a week. You can also try HCG 1000IU's MWF for two weeks instead of ED injects....just a thought. Good luck!

what do u think is better? Jenetic says 7 days 500 iu

 

[myx25]

I would do total 5000iu total. 500iu E3D, during your cycle. This is to help with teticaular atrophy and makes your PCT much easier and faster recovery with minimal loss.

For example I am doing mainly a Primobolan cycle, but using some dbols and propinate to kick start my cycle. It looks like this.

Primo:

WK 1= 600mg Primo WK 2= 500mg Primo (Frontload)
WK 3 - 14 Primo steady at 400mg/wk.

Dbols:
100 total dbols @5mg/tab, steady 20mg (4tabs/day) for 25 days.

Propinate:
WK 1 - 5 steady at 200mg/wk, divided into 3 shots Thursday, Saturday, Tuesday.

HCG: Starting today WK 4 I have only 20dbols left (5days worth, nearly done) and starting 500iu E3D, until finished, just to keep my hormones from degrading too much to make recovery easier.

CLOMID+NOLVADEX using the combination for PCT, and since I will have only Primo to finish, from wk 5-12, I only need 2 weeks worth of Clomid, along with Nolva since I heard it has post cycle benefits, and I would want to drop all the water I can from the dbol.

As I said this is a light cycle and I am by no means a beginner, I have trianed for 8yrs, juiced for 4yrs. This is mainly a Primo cycle with a test boost to get things started fast. But I am banking in on the Primo results mainly, and just wanted the strength in the beginning from the dbol. The HCG should kick start my hormones back or at least keep them from degrading any further, so my advice since I have done tons of research on this board and other boards...is to do the HCG, at a low dose throughout cycle to prevent any atrophy of the testicles, and make recovery much faster. You have to be careful not to use too much HCG since it will have a negative impact and you don't want that FOR SURE. If you use too much you will desensitize your Leydig cells and your LH hormones so your recovery will take much longer and the effects could be irreversible from what I have researched, in Dr Swales article for HRT (hormone replacement therapy).

Hope this helps.

 

[Sir-Que]

I would do total 5000iu total. 500iu E3D, during your cycle. This is to help with teticaular atrophy and makes your PCT much easier and faster recovery with minimal loss.

For example I am doing mainly a Primobolan cycle, but using some dbols and propinate to kick start my cycle. It looks like this.

Primo:

WK 1= 600mg Primo WK 2= 500mg Primo (Frontload)
WK 3 - 14 Primo steady at 400mg/wk.

Dbols:
100 total dbols @5mg/tab, steady 20mg (4tabs/day) for 25 days.

Propinate:
WK 1 - 5 steady at 200mg/wk, divided into 3 shots Thursday, Saturday, Tuesday.

HCG: Starting today WK 4 I have only 20dbols left (5days worth, nearly done) and starting 500iu E3D, until finished, just to keep my hormones from degrading too much to make recovery easier.

CLOMID+NOLVADEX using the combination for PCT, and since I will have only Primo to finish, from wk 5-12, I only need 2 weeks worth of Clomid, along with Nolva since I heard it has post cycle benefits, and I would want to drop all the water I can from the dbol.

Bro that's a whole lot of HCG for a Primo cycle. HCG is a lot stronger than we realize. I ran over 2 grams of gear for 4 months and only took 300iu's every monday and was fine

SQ-

 

[myx25]

SQ, I am using it during my cycle, pertty much during the test phase of the cycle anyway. I have noticed atrophy in the nut bag, due to the dbol and prop,and although I am finishing dbols, in 8 days, the prop is still going on for 2 more weeks at least, along with Primo. So it's not a Primo only cycle, but Primo goes for the longest duration of the cycle. I may do 500iu twice weekly if you suggest, but from the advice I have heard, it was ok to do without any danger of desensitazation at e3d. I am only running 5000iu all together, not 10000 as most would after a test cycle. There are different ways of doing the HCG, I just want to keep it to a minimum, and this is the 1st time I am doing it during a cycle, I used to include HCG as part of my PCT, but now i am hearing a lot of guys are using it as a preventative during cycle and making things easier for when they do hit the PCT, after all is out of the system. I will consider what you said, and maybe I will do 500iu every 5 days. Thanks.

 

[Sir-Que]

SQ, I am using it during my cycle, pertty much during the test phase of the cycle anyway. I have noticed atrophy in the nut bag, due to the dbol and prop,and although I am finishing dbols, in 8 days, the prop is still going on for 2 more weeks at least, along with Primo. So it's not a Primo only cycle, but Primo goes for the longest duration of the cycle. I may do 500iu twice weekly if you suggest, but from the advice I have heard, it was ok to do without any danger of desensitazation at e3d. I am only running 5000iu all together, not 10000 as most would after a test cycle. There are different ways of doing the HCG, I just want to keep it to a minimum, and this is the 1st time I am doing it during a cycle, I used to include HCG as part of my PCT, but now i am hearing a lot of guys are using it as a preventative during cycle and making things easier for when they do hit the PCT, after all is out of the system. I will consider what you said, and maybe I will do 500iu every 5 days. Thanks.

I hear what you're saying, also I have aromasin to run my cycles as well so things might be a little bit different in my case. But running HCG with cycles is the way to go to avoid problems IMO, the first day i'm ON is the first day I shoot HCG. It makes a world of difference than palying catch-up with your balls at the end.

SQ-

 

[help4john]

what do u think is better? Jenetic says 7 days 500 iu

When in doubt follow Jenetics advice. He is one of the most trusted and knowledgable members on EF.....wise beyond his years!

I was just offering another option that worked for me in the past. Actually....this was directly advised by Jenetic....may have been simply for my situation but others also received success.

 

[musclehealth]

Start one week after last poke....test will carry you at least a week. You can also try HCG 1000IU's MWF for two weeks instead of ED injects....just a thought. Good luck!

when you say 1000IU MWF for 2 weeks....are u talking about post cycle or mid cycle hcg?

 

[myx25]

SQ I have decided to reduce the HCG during cycle for reasons you had mentioned and also through the research I have done before. I am going to take 500iu 2x week. I know you may think this is even excessive, but I used to do the HCG the old school way with Clomid at the end of cycle, do 10000iu within 2 weeks split up into 4 shots. So you see I am doing this "new" way for the first time, and thanks for your help, I think I will be ok considering that I used to follow the "old school" regimen with HCG within my PCT, and now I am doing a considerable lower dose during my cycle over a longer period of time. I also have nolvadex on hand, but that's for the PCT with Clomid at the end of my cycle. In case I have any gyno issues I am just going to throw in some arimidex, but I doubt I will have any gyno issues, I am not that prone to it, plus my diet is very clean, and diet does play a role in gyno development during cycle, I know that for a fact.

So all in all I think I will be happier with my overall results from my cycle now that I am using HCG during my cycle 2xWeek @ 500iu/shot. Any others let me know if you have tried this type of treatment.

And also no disrespect to the threadstarter, I just found myself to be in position to offer info on the similar topic and also gain info instead of starting another thread. Peace.

 

[babbabuee]

I'm planning on 1000iu mwf for 2 weeks post cycle of my primo/test cycle coming up next month. But I think 500mg/ed is about the same.

 

[help4john]

when you say 1000IU MWF for 2 weeks....are u talking about post cycle or mid cycle hcg?

1000IU MWF for 2 weeks mid cycle and then again at PCT for 3 weeks 1000IU MWF.

 

[|3ossman]

run 500ed for ten days at week 4-5.5, week 9.5-11, and then pct (1000mwf for 3 weeks) on week 15-17. this gives you perfect spacing inbetween hcg administration (4 weeks off, 10 days on, 4 weeks off, 10 days on, 4 weeks off, 3 weeks on (pct)). for longer cycles you should run hcg about every 4-5 weeks to keep them in check.

i guess if you dont like frequent inj. you could do 5000iu spaced out over 10days (m, w, f, m, w: 1000iu every inj)

you will have a fantastic recovery if you run hcg like i explained above