Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Everyone is talking about this at my gym and my buddy's. Everyone has "friends that have put on 15 to 20 lbs. in about 6 weeks". Bullshit? My buddy works out at Quads (home of Ed Coan) so rumors there hold decent weight (not your little sister's gym). Ofcourse I have already ordered 2 bottles.
Havoc?
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DJLegacy2k1
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Im using it, I like it so far, Im doing a body comp shift not exactly trying to gain massive weight, but I can say my libido has been way up, my lifts are going up even in a slight cal deficit, only thing is I need Lipoflame to battle any lethargy I get from it whch in combination with my allergies was a little rough a couple days.
I still have a week and a half left so we shall see how it goes. After my PCT Im thinking of trying a Havoc/CycloTren/Dermacrine stack.
-Legacy
I still have a week and a half left so we shall see how it goes. After my PCT Im thinking of trying a Havoc/CycloTren/Dermacrine stack.
-Legacy
SwitchMan said:
Havoc is the real deal. I'm 5'9, I started and started the cycle at about 190lbs. I ran a 20,30,30. Note I only had about 3 1/2 half months of training experience prior to the start so I would have gained naturally but curiosity overwhelmed my rational side and ran it. I put on about 8 lbs in the first week. I noticed the effects almost immediately after I popped the first pill. My lips became chapped and felt drier and dehydrated. All my lifts went up right off the bat and I had a numb feeling - pumps were huge. I started using Cycle Support at the start of the second week. I think there might be something in there that decreases the effectiveness of Havoc since I didn't feel the compound as much after I started the product. I'm sure my liver thanked me though. My lifts increased every workout.
I felt some testicle discomfort during week 2 but it went away. Acne flared up at the end of week 2. Got a huge zit on my dick which left a scar.....I had a hard time sleeping which is never a problem for me. Night sweats were unreal. I woke up with a literally drenched bed one night and lost over 5 pounds in my sleep. Some days I felt very lethargic but once I hit the gym I surprisingly had great workouts. I didn't gain any more weight in week 2 and 3.
I used Sustain Alpha for PCT. Should have had a SERM but luckily everything went fine. Felt a lot better once I cut the Havoc out and started the Sustain. Labido was up, it didn't turn me into a porn star but I noticed an improvement. I retained all my weight and strength. Strength has ever so slowly increased but I've pretty much plateaued in the month after using Havoc.
mrobo said:
So you started at 190 what did you end at. And if you were only training for 3 1/2 months do you know that it was the havoc doing its job? Ive heard that its a good prohormone dont get me wrong i have not tried it yet because i used a prohormone before and now i am using the real deal i let me tell you there is no comparison between the two.
bigdofba
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I used Epistane for 4 weeks at 30 mgs a day. It sucked. I gained a whopping one pound. My training and diet were fine.
All it did was make me sick. I literally felt like I had a cold the entire time. A few bros have told me that Havoc is better. I have a bottle so I'll get back to you guys after I use it.
All it did was make me sick. I literally felt like I had a cold the entire time. A few bros have told me that Havoc is better. I have a bottle so I'll get back to you guys after I use it.
Improvise said:
lmao i was thinking the same thing bro. k you way lol.
ironcheif1984 said:
I ended at 198. Strangely I probably gained most of the weight in the first week. I know Havoc was doing something because I log every rep and set I do. I adding poundages to my compound lifts probably at 3x the pace I was prior to using Havoc. Yeah, it was way too early to use any type of compound but I can't say I'm going to complain with the results. My compounds probably went up at least 30 pounds in 3 weeks.
I suppose if you already have built yourself up to a good size this compound sucks. It's definitely not a "bulker" and at the same time it has sides. It probably worked for me since I'm not big. It's definitely good for strength probably for retaining muscle at a caloric deficit.
splperformance
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bigdofba said:
from what i've read epistane and havoc are basically the same thing in a different bottle but the havoc is right on with doses and the epistane has been known to be quite LOW for the supposed doses it contains...
Improvise said:
Ha, I knew that would draw some ridicule. It sucked REAL bad and just wanted to warn peeps of what could happen. It was my worst dick zit I've ever had in my life by far. Also got a massive one on the side of my head. I don't think it was a coincidence. A review is a review, had to include it all...To those who try this I hope your luck was better than mine when it comes to this. An a positive note, all is better now.
splperformance
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mrobo said:
bro...you get zits on your dick??? WTF bro...i've never heard of that shit...that must limit the amount of bj's your g/f gives you doesn't it???
sensational
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This thread has now reached the level of epic!
superclock
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Just to show that everyone reacts differently to a compound...
Havoc gives me less side effects that anything else I've tried (Monsterdrol, Cyclotren). It works for me as more of a body recomp than a mass gainer. I am getting more vasculated and my BF% is going down, even on a maintenance diet. Monsterdrol worked extremely well for me in terms of building mass, and Cyclotren increased my strength a lot. Right now I'm on Havoc and 1-T from PP and I feel really good. I do need to take Lipoflame with my afternoon dose of Havoc to ward off lethargy. And so far (knock on wood) no dick zits!
Havoc gives me less side effects that anything else I've tried (Monsterdrol, Cyclotren). It works for me as more of a body recomp than a mass gainer. I am getting more vasculated and my BF% is going down, even on a maintenance diet. Monsterdrol worked extremely well for me in terms of building mass, and Cyclotren increased my strength a lot. Right now I'm on Havoc and 1-T from PP and I feel really good. I do need to take Lipoflame with my afternoon dose of Havoc to ward off lethargy. And so far (knock on wood) no dick zits!
J
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Havoc is the real deal bro. Its no different than any of the stuff that is scheduled as a steroid. The only difference is that it has not been scheduled or outlawed with out a script by the government.
J
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Both Monsterdrol and Havoc will give lethargy to some extent and lower back pumps on some users.
wills_got_rythm
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I started week 3 of cyclotren and monsterdrol its working and I can feel it. Poundages have gone up on all my lifts. I am noticing more size have more fat than I want but im gonn start morning cardio soon with lipostim3 and lipoflame before workout.....
I havent gotten any dick zits either.....actually have never gotten any!!!
I havent gotten any dick zits either.....actually have never gotten any!!!
superclock
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I haven't ever gotten any either, BUT I am seriously considering changing my username to DickZits. Kinda catchy, no?
wills_got_rythm
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whats up dickzits?
superclock
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LOL! Wazzup!notoriousQQ
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dont limit dickzits to herpes, one large dickzit could certainly be the type of canker sore associated with syphillis...
J
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LoL this post has gone out the window.
10001110101
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havoc is decent. i'd compare it to something like var, winstrol, or turinabol.
it would stack well with an injectable but by itself unless it's your 1st cycle and you don't wanna gain more than 10 pounds it's nothing too spectacular, just like a winny or var only cycle would be
it would stack well with an injectable but by itself unless it's your 1st cycle and you don't wanna gain more than 10 pounds it's nothing too spectacular, just like a winny or var only cycle would be
10001110101
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elevated liver enzymes and a limp noodle, honestly i'd go with 1-t and havoc, or just havoc as I haven't used 1-t so I really can't comment... actually though havoc is a good all around oral, your libido might decline a little after 4 weeks, but aside from some lethargy you should feel pretty great (i kind of feel amazing, like every day is a new day kind of feeling) on it but i would dose it like var, 60mg and up it's just getting good...
but in my experience very clean oral, no obvious sides
J
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Your right on almost everything except the elevated liver enzyme part. The Cyclotren is not going to elevate enzymes musch more than the Havoc will alone. If you use proper support supplements your blood work will come out clean as a whistle. I know because I have gotten blood work during a full blown cycle using Cyclotren and Pheravol.
J
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Monsterdrol is the strongest compound out there hands down. The others are also very effective and have their place,depending on what your goals are. For example you could get away with cycling Havoc and Trenxxl longer than you can monsterdrol.
J
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Yes it does and huge strength gains.
thegetbizzy
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Holy HAVOC stuff works endless energy in the gym, shrunken nuts , weight only up about 7 pounds gained,but i lost alot of fat def. im 4 weeks into a 6 week cycle im taking 3 a day then 2 for a week then 1 for a week im also taking cyclotren 2 a day 30 days i am very happy with it no negative sides really i am tired alot, but def not in the gym i dont even get sore and can do my whole routien 2 times no prob , um dont really feel like havin sex unless it drops in my lap which isnt really normal for me cause i love chasin tail but it works fine so i dont really care.aggresiveness is up in general not outa control but i wouldnt want to f with me. HAVOC IS FOR REAL so im a bit concerned about my pct cause its over the counter so i hope ot goes ok any way i def recomend it and will def do it again asap
I'm back.....no more penile problems. No STDs and what I thought was a scar is gone.
I haven't done another cycle of Havoc but I did run test prop at 350mg/wk for 6 weeks a few months back. Believe it or not, I believe Havoc beats out 350mg of prop for strength gains. I felt a bit shut down after the prop cycle but Havoc didn't shut me down at all.
Besides the strength/shutdown category I liked prop better. I didn't have the lethargy on prop I had on Havoc. Gained more size with the prop. Just felt WAY better on it. That being said some people seem to get no noticeable sides others are like me and feel a bit crappy. You just got to hope you are one of the lucky ones.
Havoc is good shit. I got some Beastdrol/Monsterdrol next...just waiting a bit to take the plunge.
I haven't done another cycle of Havoc but I did run test prop at 350mg/wk for 6 weeks a few months back. Believe it or not, I believe Havoc beats out 350mg of prop for strength gains. I felt a bit shut down after the prop cycle but Havoc didn't shut me down at all.
Besides the strength/shutdown category I liked prop better. I didn't have the lethargy on prop I had on Havoc. Gained more size with the prop. Just felt WAY better on it. That being said some people seem to get no noticeable sides others are like me and feel a bit crappy. You just got to hope you are one of the lucky ones.
Havoc is good shit. I got some Beastdrol/Monsterdrol next...just waiting a bit to take the plunge.
Anybody heard of this product? Same formula as the other 2.
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Elementality
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From my experience I wouldn't reccommend any of this stuff for endurance training because of the muscle pumps you get. It can get annoying for high repetition/endurance stuff.
