Havoc Info For Those Interested...

[halfcenturian]

Does this STEROID come in an oral or injectable presentation?

I think there is a thread on HAVOV right next to the PEZ Forum.

 

[BIGCANNONS]

i was under the impression that this stuff has been discontinued.. is it stll avalible and where and does it work

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

"lethargic"

That blew it for me. I don't need any help in that dept. lol.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Battle being "Lethargic" with LIPOFLAME! :-D Thats my solution so far! Im def gettin more vascular and a bit leaner so far. Once I get going its smooth sailing, I did AN HOUR of cardio today, out of nowhere lol

I love the "juicers" that dont realize that even OTC products CONVERT to AAS in the body, its just not as STRONG as str8 test/deca/tren, but much easier to get and depending on the type, more legal.

*rolls eyes*...Thats like me saying "I think there is a forum on DECA, right next to the DECA DICK MEETS BIG BUBBA IN THE JAILCELL forum". Give me a break...sigh. Peoples maturity levels are in the crapper half the time around here.

-Legacy

 

[Trauma1979]

Hmmmm.......Well this write-up looks very familiar, but that's probably because i wrote it.

If you guys have any questions post them up.

 

[KDubba]

I am new to this generation of PH's the last ph i used was M1t when it was legal, I read legacys post to not take havoc with other methylated compounds- I have havoc and am thinking of stacking what other PH's go good with and bad. I have my eye on cyclotren, phera phlex, and 4AD specifically.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Do a Havoc/CycloTren stack and let me know how it works. Cyclo isnt Methylated.

-Legacy

 

[KDubba]

Would 4AD be too much to add with Havoc/cyclotren. What in the chemical noam do I need to look for to be able to tell if its methylated. Thanks for the help too by the way

 

[Trauma1979]

HAVOC Facts And Dosing Protocol



Maximum Strength/Mass Gains With Limited Side Effects


-Dosing range: 30-50mg/day for 4 weeks


-Dose Schedule Recommendations: You should always have your dosing split evenly throughout the day to help maintain maximum blood level concentration of the compound. (I.E.)When 40mg/day is used, i recommend 20mg approx. 30-40 minutes pre-workout. Individual workout times will be a different time of day for each user. Split the remaining two doses evenly over the rest of the day around your pre-workout dose. Try to keep your dosing close to 6 hours a part if possible.

The majority of user feedback indicates that 40mg/day is the best median dose for inducing maximum strength/size benefits while noting limited side effects. This does not include everyone however. Some users may have good/similar results with slightly higher or lower dosing. Every individuals results may vary. This is based on the majority of user feedback.


Sample Havoc Cycles: Please note, these are JUST EXAMPLES to give you an overall idea on how to set it up. You will have to adjust the pattern to meet your own schedule and needs.


Havoc(20mg/day):

1st Dose(10mg): 8-10am
2nd Dose(10mg): 4-6pm

Havoc(30mg/day):

1st Dose(10mg): 8-10am OR 1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(10mg): 2-3pm 2nd Dose(10mg): 4-6pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm

Havoc(40mg/day):

1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(10mg): 2-3pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm

Havoc(50mg/day):

1st Dose(20mg): 8-10am(Pre-Workout Dose)
2nd Dose(20mg): 2-3pm
3rd Dose(10mg): 6-8pm


Supplements To Utilize While Taking Havoc:


-Taurine:Taurine is an amino sulfonic acid that is found in high levels in the skeletal and heart muscles of humans, as well as in white blood cells, and the central nervous system. Taurine aids the movement of potassium, sodium, calcium, and magnesium in and out of cells and thus helps generate nerve impulses.(3-5)grams/daily can be taken to help limit excessive muscle pumps/cramping.

-Gut Health: The probiotic contained within(Lactobacillus Casei Ke-99) can assist with enhanced nutrient absorbtion within the digestive tract. This in turn can equal out to better overall gains. Gut Health also notes immune boosting properties. Please see the Gut Health Sticky for much more info.

-NOxidant: NOxidant is a potent blend of antioxidants specifically designed to counteract reactive nitrogen species - harmful free radicals produced from nitric oxide. NOxidant is best used in conjunction with nitric oxide enhancing supplements such as arginine and citrulline malate. Taken post-workout, NOxidant can protect the body from reactive nitrogen species to ensure an optimal anabolic environment and maximize your results.

-DHEADehydroepiandrosterone)DHEA is the precursor of androstenedione, which can undergo further conversion to produce the androgen testosterone and the estrogens estrone and estradiol. This can assist in maintaining libido while taking havoc. Due to havoc's properties of estrogen suppression, this can lead to suppressed libido in some users. DHEA at 100-200mg/day has shown in some user feedback to help limit this adverse effect and maintain adequate libido.

-Branched Chain Amino AcidsLeucine,Isoleucine,Valine) They make up about 1/3 of skeletal muscle in the human body. They play are very important role in protein synthesis and recovery. BCAA's assist in maintaining muscle mass as well as contributing to new growth through the muscle hypertrophy process.

-Liver(Hepatic)/Blood Pressure/Prostate/Cholesterol SupportNAC,Milk Thistle,Celery Seed Extract,Hawthorne Berry,Saw Palmetto,Red Yeast Rice) These supplements help to minimize/limit possible adverse side effects in these areas. It's suggested to take your liver support supps. at least 2-3 hours a part from the Havoc itself. This helps ensure maximum effects from both substances.

-Joint/Ligament SupportCissus Quadrangularis)Many users utilize cissus while taking havoc to support/alleviate potential joint issues.

-DCP:This RPN product can be a welcome addition to any Havoc cycle for many reasons. DCP contains PLCAR(Propionyl-L-Carnitine) which can assist in androgen receptor proliferation increasing the amount of actual receptors present on muscles cells thereby enhancing new muscle growth opportunity. DCP also contains TTA(Tetradecylthioacetic Acid)and Salvia Miltiorrhiza Extract. These substances are responsible for liberating fatty acids from adipocytes(Fat Cells) into the bloodstream to be used as fuel. The PLCAR is also responsible in assisting transport of fatty acids into the mitochondria(powerhouse of the cell)to be used as energy. So in essence, DCP can assist you in your havoc cycle by assisting with more lean type gains, enhanced overall energy/endurance, and assist in increased androgen receptor proliferation leading to better gains overall. For the full DCP write-up, please see the Sticky thread.



Supplements To Utilize During A Havoc PCT:


-CreatineMonohydrate,Ethyl Ester,Gluconate) Creatine assists with maintaning strength and mass gains during pct. This is an important supplement that should absolutely be utilized during pct. Personal creatine of choice is recommended.

-Anti-Cortisol: These supplements assist in helping to maintain gains while during pct. Cortisol suppression helps maintain size gains by limiting a catabolic state where muscle is broken down and used for energy.

-SERM(Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator)Tamoxifen,Raloxifene,Clomiphene,Toremifene) A serm assists in blocking the effects of elevated estrogen while the body balances out its own endogenous hormones restoring the HPTA.

-Natural Testosterone Booster: During your pct, your natural testosterone levels are suppressed(some may be moreso than others.) These supplements help to kickstart your natural testosterone production and ultimately assist in restoring your HPTA.

-Branched Chain Amino AcidsLeucine,Isoleucine,Valine) They make up about 1/3 of skeletal muscle in the human body. They play are very important role in protein synthesis as well as assisting in maintaining aquired muscle mass during pct.

-Liver(Hepatic)/Blood Pressure/Prostate/Cholesterol Support: (NAC,Milk Thistle,Celery Seed Extract,Hawthorne Berry,Saw Palmetto,Red Yeast Rice) These supplements help to minimize/limit possible adverse side effects in these areas.

-NOxidant: NOxidant is a potent blend of antioxidants specifically designed to counteract reactive nitrogen species - harmful free radicals produced from nitric oxide. NOxidant is best used in conjunction with nitric oxide enhancing supplements such as arginine and citrulline malate. Taken post-workout, NOxidant can protect the body from reactive nitrogen species to ensure an optimal anabolic environment and maximize your results.

-Gut Health: The probiotic contained within(Lactobacillus Casei Ke-99) can assist with enhanced nutrient absorbtion within the digestive tract. This in turn can equal out to better overall gains. Gut Health also notes immune boosting properties. Please see the Gut Health Sticky for much more info.








Some Random Havoc Q&A:


-Do i have to take Havoc with or without food?

Havoc is a methylated compound. Its absorbtion will not be significantly effected either way. It's personal choice to take with or witout food.

-Sometimes when i take Havoc late in the day i can't sleep at night.

Havoc has been reported in some users to cause insomnia. If that is the case, don't take havoc within 4 hours of bedtime.

-Do i need to use a SERM in my Havoc PCT?

YES, you NEED to use a serm, period!!

-What type of results can i expect from Havoc?

This is all dependent upon what your overall goals are. Havoc can be used to deliver impressive strength and lean mass gains if your diet and training are on point. An 8-10 pound gain in size is not an uncommon feedback comment by many users.

-Can i stack other compounds with Havoc?

Yes, you can stack certain compounds with havoc. Havoc would stack BEST with a NON-methyl compound that is somewhat (wet) in nature. As long as the 2nd compound is of a NON-methyl nature, you can stack it with havoc. The (dry) effects of havoc stacked with a NON-methyl(wet)compound would work well together.

-What type of diet should i use with Havoc?

Again this is very dependent upon your overall goals. Havoc respondes well to a bulking diet/training yielding some very impressive strength and size gains. Havoc can also be used to maintain size and strength while cutting. The key is your diet HAS to be in check and formulated for this. Like anything in life, you will make it what it is.

-Can i take Tylenol, Motrin, or Naprosyn while on Havoc for pain?

In short, i would avoid tylenol at all costs. Acetaminophen (tylenol) is significantly metabolized hepatically(by the liver.) This WILL add major stress to the liver on top of the havoc compound. I DO NOT advise to its use while taking havoc.

Motrin and naprosen are NSAIDS(Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs.) They control pain by the inhibition of prostaglandin synthesis which contributes to the mechanism of our pain response. Nsaid use is also believed in theory to inhibit protein synthesis leading to hindered overall muscle gains. Nsaids are also metabolized hepatically(by the liver.) While their overall hepatic(liver)stress may not be AS significant as tylenol, it still adds a significant amount. Tylenol and Nsaids are STRONGLY advised to avoid while taking havoc.

-How long should a cycle of Havoc be?

Havoc should be taken no longer than 4 weeks for a straight cycle. During that time frame you will receive maximum benefits and results from the compound. Some people may choose to pulse cycle havoc. A pulse cycle can be run up to 6 weeks. Pulse cycle guidelines for havoc will be placed in this write-up shortly.


-Legacy

PS: This write up comes from an RPN Rep.

I'd be that RPN rep. Just to let you know i've updated this write-up a bit recently. I actually have even more to add tomorrow at some point. BTW - What site did you take the write-up from? I had it posted on 3 others i believe.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I honestly cant remember, but I do a HELL of alot of research on ANY PH I consider taking, since most are a waste. I probably red 100 sites about Havoc, logs, write-ups, and everything else I could find.

-Legacy