yeah, i think something else is the culprit for the acne on the arms deal. what, i have no idea. i don't take anything much "all the time" except some natural stuff like ala/cla/vitamins etc. there is def an anabolic effect from these....i still am holding at least 15-18 lbs from the dbol/winny cycle.....and i've lost fat and maintained/gained muscle. so i doubt just clomid would do that, although i am quite anal about training and nutrition so it is possible. probably is anavar....just lower dose than advertised. gilly needs to hurry up and get it tested.....lol.......