Have i been doing back all wrong??

[lilj888]

im not saying i have a small back, my back is strongest muscle related to everything else.

but i say some video of a guy that looked like a jacked bob saget doing lat pull downs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykDNZxuusHU

he says to flex your back then pull down

i just pull never really thought about the 2 part movement, am i doin this wrong. Lat pull down is one of my strongest

 

[gjohnson5]

I dunno.
To be honest I'm like you. I never thought about flexing my back before each rep. Generally if you extend your arms fully and the back is arched as it should be ... I would think the lats would flex just getting the weight down from that position.

Now if your cheating the reps and not extending the arms + arched back at the eccentric phase of that movement, then that could be the problem

Full range of motion

 

[lilj888]

hmm well tomorrow is back day, so im going to try this method see if it does anything, i do arch my back tho

 

[SpyWizard]

i always extend mine, but more of an extreme stretch..

 

[keasbey]

yeah jacked bob saget has some good videos. ive watched them all and have applied a few different tips of his. i just wish i had the defin. in my body so you could see all the muscles kick in when doing lifts like that

 

[drsketch]

I NEVER do pull downs.. I do all assisted pull ups which IMO are 100% better than pull downs.

 

[enigma4dub]

why do anything but a pull up? and when your good at those you add weight

 

[mwm5]

i dunno but that dude has some HUGE breaticles.

 

[keasbey]

i hear he curls mary kate and ashely olsen, 1 in each hand

 

[gjohnson5]

Also in terms of lat pull downs , I tend to perform them similar to his views on seated machine rows.

I expand the rib cage and push she chest upward (since you should be exhaling anyway) as I pull the bar downward. I feel this hit the middle of my back as well

 

[gjohnson5]

But I disagree with his views on grip. Part of the benefits of back exercises is to build grip strength. I would ALWAYS grip the bar during back work

 

[enigma4dub]

But I disagree with his views on grip. Part of the benefits of back exercises is to build grip strength. I would ALWAYS grip the bar during back work

his thumb placement is pretty common actually. its actually superior in terms of grip. thats how i grip: bench, deads, rows, chins, everything

 

[gjohnson5]

thumbless grip is also called false grip
I may be wrong on this , but IMHO the point of a thunbless grip is to not grip the bar and relax the muscles in the hands and forearm


*edit*
I used to believe that mess where it's better to relax secondary muscles then to utilize them. The mind lfts the weight etc...
That mess dont work , LOL
*edit*

 

[mwm5]

thumbless grip is also called false grip
I may be wrong on this , but IMHO the point of a thunbless grip is to not grip the bar and relax the muscles in the hands and forearm

something weird that i found out and is scientifically proven. a grip where the thumb goes towards the pointer finger is less superior and sends a signal to the brain you aren't picking up a heavy load. when you grip something and your thumb doesn't go towards pointer finger, you can handle heavier weight.

probably have no idea from that description what i'm talking about, but we i was at a business conference where some dr.'s were explaining this and how signals to the brain tell your muscles what kind of load you're attempting to pick up.

i would say that is why most power lifters always use the thumbless???

 

[enigma4dub]

i switched my grip a couple years back do to tweaking wrists and thumbs at work. it was the only way i could grip anything. i got used to it and now would never go back. wrapping my thumb feels awkward now and is definately harder on the wrists/thumbs .... even curls i go thumb less.

 

[gjohnson5]

something weird that i found out and is scientifically proven. a grip where the thumb goes towards the pointer finger is less superior and sends a signal to the brain you aren't picking up a heavy load. when you grip something and your thumb doesn't go towards pointer finger, you can handle heavier weight.

probably have no idea from that description what i'm talking about, but we i was at a business conference where some dr.'s were explaining this and how signals to the brain tell your muscles what kind of load you're attempting to pick up.

i would say that is why most power lifters always use the thumbless???

You won't find too many people deadlifting with a thumbless grip...
Benching with a thumbless grip is the main reason the bar slips from their hands and crushes their chest. Not to mention a thumbless grip will also place much more stress on the wrist when benching due to the wrist being pointed at a 90 degree angle to hold the weight. With a closed grip , the wrist and hand can remain straight and inline with the forearm

for some machine lifts it is ok. But for the most part IMHO I would avoid it

 

[enigma4dub]

You won't find too many people deadlifting with a thumbless grip...
Benching with a thumbless grip is the main reason the bar slips from their hands and crushes their chest. Not to mention a thumbless grip will also place much more stress on the wrist when benching due to the wrist being pointed at a 90 degree angle to hold the weight. With a closed grip , the wrist and hand can remain straight and inline with the forearm

for some machine lifts it is ok. But for the most part IMHO I would avoid
it

this is the exact opposite for me. all of my pr's are with thumbless grips. never dropped the bar on bench. and my thumbs/wrists definitely feel worse with thumbs wrapped.

 

[gjohnson5]

This is what happens when benching with a thumbless grip
Watch his hands....

 

[mwm5]

You won't find too many people deadlifting with a thumbless grip...
Benching with a thumbless grip is the main reason the bar slips from their hands and crushes their chest. Not to mention a thumbless grip will also place much more stress on the wrist when benching due to the wrist being pointed at a 90 degree angle to hold the weight. With a closed grip , the wrist and hand can remain straight and inline with the forearm

for some machine lifts it is ok. But for the most part IMHO I would avoid it

i use thumb b/c it feels most comfortable, i was just giving that info out i learned about.

besides i'm not in it to see how much i can lift

 

[enigma4dub]

This is what happens when benching with a thumbless grip
Watch his hands....

lol

 

[SaiBoT]

complete range of motion is the best for developing every muscle fiber, just go as far as your flexibity allows you to go, thumbless grip is not a safety issue on pull ups or chinups! Relax and stretch your shoulder blades thats it!!!

 

[lilj888]

for bench your suppose to put your thum along the bar, hard to explain but instead of wrapping the whole hand around u extend your thumb out under the bar. Not like the video where the dude gets crushed. and not like making a fist, but making a fist with the thumbs extended out like a thumbs up, its better for support