hard alcohol and CKD ??????????

[slipperypete]

I was looking on this list of things without carbs and it said Gin, rum, whisky, and vodka had no carbs, is this true???? If so I think I can drink a little more and not get knocked out of ketosis. That would rock. well I hope this is true.

 

[ZKaudio]

alcohol will knock you out of ketosis. If you are trying to lose weight... you should not be drinking. If you MUST. Tequila is going to have the smallest effect on blood sugar.

 

[TinyTim]

alcohol will knock you out of ketosis. If you are trying to lose weight... you should not be drinking. If you MUST. Tequila is going to have the smallest effect on blood sugar.

Why?

 

[jerkbox]

alcohol will not knock you out of ketosis...in fact when your body metabolizes alcohol, it send ketones into your bloodstream putting you in ketosis....however, your body will have to first burn through all the alcohol you consumed before it resumes burning fat.

 

[OXANDRIN]

alcohol is converted into acetate in the liver and it is used as a source of energy until its gone. thats why drinking makes you fat because your body can't use carbs,fats,protiens, until the acetate is gone....for the most part

 

[slipperypete]

I just thought maybe it was too good to be true, because if I can have a couple shots and not have to worry about being knocked out of ketosis on the weekend, I wouldn't feel so guilty. Anyway it doesn't really matter too much cause I usually do my carb up on the weekend. I know drinking isn't going to help me loose weight, but fuck I love to go out and drink on weekends, so I have to work around it. So far I have lost 16 lbs. anyway doing this. Haven't lost much muscle at all which is kinda suprising. Well later.

 

[kidvilla]

alcohol and ckd

hey there, i thought i might have something to contribute as i had been on ckd and atkins ketogenic diets in the past.
first of all, the stronger alchohols were my preference ( 151, knob creek) on keto, but beer was my preference on carbo/glycoload because of the state i was in

in ketosis, the problem as mentioned before is alcohol will not knock you out of ketosis, but it WILL sidetrack it a bit. sometimes the bigger problem, ketosis-wise, is everything that comes along for the ride with the drink. i mean, think of it, even cuervo tequila has some sugars in there either as a result of the alcohol, or in the case of other drinks, added on for flavoring. and forget about margaritas and mudslides

in ketosis, to make an extreme example, you could theoretically consume mexican everclear (96% alcohol) and since you only need a half a shotglass to get kaplotzed, i can assure you your time out of ketosis (due to alcohol-related metabolism) will probably be shorter than the time you will spend drunk.

in glycoload (the weekend when you compensate for ketosis in ckd or bodyopus diets) your intention is to pack on the carbos and so you again dont' want too much interference with alcohol, so instead, to get the least alcohol interference to sugar compensation, try beer ...

but alcohol has other problems here:
first, it will negatively affect your performance for days to come, if weights sucked while on ckd, they will suck worse afterwards.

if you are consuming it during your "glycoload" phase, i can't explain it scientifically, but everyone i know has attested that they don't get the same load after even a few drinks as opposed to not touching the stuff. in other words, you don't supercompensate as well on it, and that will mean you next week will really suck

put those two together, and that's not nice...
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but if you must feel the need to drink (and i loves me some alkyhol sometimes too) i made this compromise with myself ...

1. drink the strongest stuff you can get while on ketosis, but while on glycoload, drink the weakest stuff. the logic here is in ketosis, you don't want to knock yourself out of it too long, but in glycoload, you may as well get some sugar in the deal (and weak alcoholic drinks are usually notoriously full of sugar).

2. if in glycoload, give yourself an extra day to compensate, it really helps, and if you're willing to screw your workout a little, you really need to give yourself a chance to recover.

 

[serge]

Re: alcohol and ckd

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if you are consuming it during your "glycoload" phase, i can't explain it scientifically, but everyone i know has attested that they don't get the same load after even a few drinks as opposed to not touching the stuff. in other words, you don't supercompensate as well on it, and that will mean you next week will really suck

DEHYDRATION IS THE REASON, its advocated to avoid all caffeene and anything else that will dehydrate you during your glycogen loading, including ECA's

 

[ZKaudio]

whenever I drink, the next morning my ketostix are indicative of me NOT being in ketosis. The only exception to this was when I drank tequila... as opposed to vodka/rum... and i was still in light ketosis in teh morning. w/e

 

[toilet hamster]

GHB

I had this same problem with avoiding alcohol. Get some GHB, it will still make you feel drunk, it has almost 0% toxicity on the liver and it releases growth hormone which burns fat and builds muscle.

 

[Slugfast]

yeah I noticed that alcohol threw out the weight loss for the day I drank, at the beginning of the diet, so I decided not to drink at all for the next 4 more weeks (6 total). AFter drinking the first week, I definitely noticed my allready impossibly slow Recovery time increasing even more on teh CKD to the point that I almost decided not to lift in an effort to not remain so sore. I just think it affects everyone differently and it really hit me hard. BTW I was drinking Knobb Creek 101 proof Bourbon.

 

[chewyxrage]

...

Bump for this old ass thread because it has some good info for us college students on a CKD.


Anyone else have personal experience with this?

 

[Veretta9]

Toilet Hamster----what is GHB?

 

[Stryc-9]

...what is GHB?

GHB is gamma hydroxy butyrate (or gamma hydroxybutyric acid, Sodium Oxybate). It's extremely addictive and has a tendency to be abused....lately it's become more popular among "ravers" (it's called Liquid E, and has been referred to as one of the "date rape drugs") than among bodybuilders.

Could be wrong but I believe it's a controlled substance in most states (I know it's illegal for sale or possession in Canada). Be careful with it...

 

[chewyxrage]

Yes, it's exetremely illegal.
Some freshman girls at my college were put in the hospital after having it put into their drinks at some party.
Also, a basketball friend of mine from highschool took too much one time and ended up in the emergency room. His heart stopped for about 30 seconds before they got it going again.

So yea- be careful with it.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Re: alcohol and ckd

:in ketosis, the problem as mentioned before is alcohol will not knock you out of ketosis, but it WILL sidetrack it a bit. sometimes the bigger problem, ketosis-wise, is everything that comes along for the ride with the drink. i mean, think of it, even cuervo tequila has some sugars in there either as a result of the alcohol, or in the case of other drinks, added on for flavoring. and forget about margaritas and mudslides

in ketosis, to make an extreme example, you could theoretically consume mexican everclear (96% alcohol) and since you only need a half a shotglass to get kaplotzed, i can assure you your time out of ketosis (due to alcohol-related metabolism) will probably be shorter than the time you will spend drunk.

I think you are mistaken.


Straight tequila, straight rum or straight vodka has only alcohol calories and no sugars, i.e. No carbs. Although mixed drinks will almost definately be out.


I am curious though how a half a shot of everclear gets you trashed though as even 2 shots of 100 proof don't seem to have that effect on me.

 

[beefybull]

Re: GHB

I had this same problem with avoiding alcohol. Get some GHB, it will still make you feel drunk, it has almost 0% toxicity on the liver and it releases growth hormone which burns fat and builds muscle.

Or some weed...

GHB + weed, if used properly have VERY VERY VERY few side effects

 

[eurorides]

weed is the answer. ghb is shady, its not consistant and some doses are far stronger/weaker then others. if you want something else try out dxm (chemical found in some cough medicine) ive never touched anything other then alcohol and weed, im really weary of chemicals that might have something in them that could really hurt me. (this is coming from somone who was arrested and had their stomach pumped a few months ago because i was so drunk, so take that for what its worth )