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HappyScrappy
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are you asking me to explain it, or why I chose it?
I can do either in great detail.
I can do either in great detail.
HappyScrappy
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not china - vietnam.
china would have been the tienniman (sp?) square protests, and a man stepped in front of a tank. it was sent around the world and if I recall a news special a few years later, that man "disappeared"
I chose the picture because Kryp2o's new avatar, everytime I see it, makes me think it is this pic.
I know that Dave Navarro (former guitarist for Jane's Addiction and brifly RCHP) has one wall of his apartment done with that image. He did it as a reference to a scene in "Stardust Memories" which I think, if I recall correctly, is a Woody Allen movie.
The image is from the Vietname war, and it is Nguyen Ngoc Loan (with gun) and a Viet Cong prisoner. Eddie Adams won the pullitzer priize for the photo, and if I recall correctly, he had the camera up and was talking to the man (Loan) and was being told that the prisoner was seen killing people and was a known Viet Cong leader, thereby was guilty.
at that point he raised the gun and the pic went down in history.
Adams (photographer) continues to back Loan's move - the pic has brought about much negative criticism, but Adams claims that the man should be seen as a hero...
that is about all I know in reference to it.
china would have been the tienniman (sp?) square protests, and a man stepped in front of a tank. it was sent around the world and if I recall a news special a few years later, that man "disappeared"
I chose the picture because Kryp2o's new avatar, everytime I see it, makes me think it is this pic.
I know that Dave Navarro (former guitarist for Jane's Addiction and brifly RCHP) has one wall of his apartment done with that image. He did it as a reference to a scene in "Stardust Memories" which I think, if I recall correctly, is a Woody Allen movie.
The image is from the Vietname war, and it is Nguyen Ngoc Loan (with gun) and a Viet Cong prisoner. Eddie Adams won the pullitzer priize for the photo, and if I recall correctly, he had the camera up and was talking to the man (Loan) and was being told that the prisoner was seen killing people and was a known Viet Cong leader, thereby was guilty.
at that point he raised the gun and the pic went down in history.
Adams (photographer) continues to back Loan's move - the pic has brought about much negative criticism, but Adams claims that the man should be seen as a hero...
that is about all I know in reference to it.
HappyScrappy
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the current aronld one - for some reason, as I read your posts, out of the corner of my eye, I see that photo that is now in my avatar.
M
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Also, General Loan (the executioner) was himself dispatched in a similar fashion less than a year after this picture was taken.
His wife was interviewed in a magazine last year. It was actually a very interesting story.
That said, it disturbs me to see avatars such as this. The execution of a war prisoner, regardless of which side you may have been on, should not be a source of amusement for any of us.
Happy, don't you have something more appropriate. Something fun? You know - perhaps a pic of a couple of guys engaged in some butt sex?
His wife was interviewed in a magazine last year. It was actually a very interesting story.
That said, it disturbs me to see avatars such as this. The execution of a war prisoner, regardless of which side you may have been on, should not be a source of amusement for any of us.
Happy, don't you have something more appropriate. Something fun? You know - perhaps a pic of a couple of guys engaged in some butt sex?
It was and still consider one of the turning point of the war for public support back home.
The photographer had been telling those guys for a couple days that he needed action. That he was wasting his time with them.....he needed something that would make good print.
Story goes they were sick of hearing his shit.....the captain(officer) then got sick of the photog's shit. So when they caught this suspected VC guy on the street the officer told the photographer you wanted to see action here it is. He told the photographer to get set up and he called everyone into the streets and told them this is what happens if we just suspect you of working with the VC and executed his ass.
The photographer has had major problems with it his whole life and actually wrote a paper on how journalists shouldn't effect the story they cover and the impact that they can have by just being there. They say he has never been the same since.
Never remember the names but the story stuck hard.
The American public freaked...after all we are all about law and order and he should of had a trial and what not. It was like the whole nation turn on the war all at once because of it.
The photographer had been telling those guys for a couple days that he needed action. That he was wasting his time with them.....he needed something that would make good print.
Story goes they were sick of hearing his shit.....the captain(officer) then got sick of the photog's shit. So when they caught this suspected VC guy on the street the officer told the photographer you wanted to see action here it is. He told the photographer to get set up and he called everyone into the streets and told them this is what happens if we just suspect you of working with the VC and executed his ass.
The photographer has had major problems with it his whole life and actually wrote a paper on how journalists shouldn't effect the story they cover and the impact that they can have by just being there. They say he has never been the same since.
Never remember the names but the story stuck hard.
The American public freaked...after all we are all about law and order and he should of had a trial and what not. It was like the whole nation turn on the war all at once because of it.
M
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Hey Sock Boy! Your comments were interesting and on point. Kudos.
Hey Sock Boy! Your comments were interesting and on point. Kudos.
Kryp2o
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I can see the resemblence now that I have it switched to full monitor size both figures leaning on a approx. 10 degree angle to the left (right to us facing), facial expressions are close albeit for different reason though . . . except I think Arnolds bulking cycle had better results. The other fellow's came to an abrupt stop.
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HappyScrappy
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actually may1010 - the general died in 1998 - he was a resteraunt owner in VA (pizza parlor) - although he did have one of his legs amputated, so perhaps that is what you are thinking of.
I'm not using the avatar as a thing of amusement - I like the photo. I'm not into death or killing of the vietmanese - I just like the picture compositionally.
and yes, there was a pool of journalists that were there - the us press was trying to make it all ook as bad as possible - this was around the same time as the tett offensive and came out with the image of the little girl runing, burning with napalm (I saw her interviewed years later - it is amazing how laid back these people are about it).
as for how the story "really" happened, it depends usually on the political lean of whatever document you are reading at the time and what agenda they have that they want to get accross.
I'm not using the avatar as a thing of amusement - I like the photo. I'm not into death or killing of the vietmanese - I just like the picture compositionally.
and yes, there was a pool of journalists that were there - the us press was trying to make it all ook as bad as possible - this was around the same time as the tett offensive and came out with the image of the little girl runing, burning with napalm (I saw her interviewed years later - it is amazing how laid back these people are about it).
as for how the story "really" happened, it depends usually on the political lean of whatever document you are reading at the time and what agenda they have that they want to get accross.
HappyScrappy
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not in what I had read - he flew to the states with his wife and kids in an attempt to escape punishment in vietnam.
then he started his pizza parlor with them and spent nearly the rest of his life being harassed and taunted as a war criminal and there were repeated attempts to get the gov't to kick him out of the country.
it is interesting that the pic can generate so many beliveable stories.
I wasn't there, so I can only say what I've read about it.
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From: time.com article,
DIED. NGUYEN NGOC LOAN, 67, South Vietnamese national-police commander whose 1968 point-blank execution of a bound Viet Cong prisoner in Saigon stunned Americans when they saw it on film; in Burke, Va. The widely reprinted photo, which won a Pulitzer Prize for Associated Press photographer Eddie Adams, fortified public opinion against the war. After the fall of Saigon, Loan and his family moved to Virginia, where he ran a restaurant. (See Eulogy below.)
Eulogy
By EDDIE ADAMS
won a Pulitzer Prize in 1969 for a photograph of one man shooting another. Two people died in that photograph: the recipient of the bullet and GENERAL NGUYEN NGOC LOAN. The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?" General Loan was what you would call a real warrior, admired by his troops. I'm not saying what he did was right, but you have to put yourself in his position. The photograph also doesn't say that the general devoted much of his time trying to get hospitals built in Vietnam for war casualties. This picture really messed up his life. He never blamed me. He told me if I hadn't taken the picture, someone else would have, but I've felt bad for him and his family for a long time. I had kept in contact with him; the last time we spoke was about six months ago, when he was very ill. I sent flowers when I heard that he had died and wrote, "I'm sorry. There are tears in my eyes."
--Eddie Adams
DIED. NGUYEN NGOC LOAN, 67, South Vietnamese national-police commander whose 1968 point-blank execution of a bound Viet Cong prisoner in Saigon stunned Americans when they saw it on film; in Burke, Va. The widely reprinted photo, which won a Pulitzer Prize for Associated Press photographer Eddie Adams, fortified public opinion against the war. After the fall of Saigon, Loan and his family moved to Virginia, where he ran a restaurant. (See Eulogy below.)
Eulogy
By EDDIE ADAMS
won a Pulitzer Prize in 1969 for a photograph of one man shooting another. Two people died in that photograph: the recipient of the bullet and GENERAL NGUYEN NGOC LOAN. The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?" General Loan was what you would call a real warrior, admired by his troops. I'm not saying what he did was right, but you have to put yourself in his position. The photograph also doesn't say that the general devoted much of his time trying to get hospitals built in Vietnam for war casualties. This picture really messed up his life. He never blamed me. He told me if I hadn't taken the picture, someone else would have, but I've felt bad for him and his family for a long time. I had kept in contact with him; the last time we spoke was about six months ago, when he was very ill. I sent flowers when I heard that he had died and wrote, "I'm sorry. There are tears in my eyes."
--Eddie Adams
I had seen the photo many times and never put much thought into...always thought there were reason.
As a photo minor in college we had a a assignment on photo journalism.....the teacher cover this story for the reasons I stated above....like I said didn't remember the names just the stuff behind it. I believe what we were told...the professor was top notch and said he had actually had the chance to speak once with Eddie.
As a photo minor in college we had a a assignment on photo journalism.....the teacher cover this story for the reasons I stated above....like I said didn't remember the names just the stuff behind it. I believe what we were told...the professor was top notch and said he had actually had the chance to speak once with Eddie.
